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To: Avalon Hussar; Salvation

I’ve never understood the animosity towards the title “Co-Redeemer”, and, along those lines, I’ve never understood why some Catholics shy away from the term.

I’m with Salvation, when she says, “Never apologize for a devotion to Mary”. (paraphrased)

If one is able to look at the situation objectively: The term “co-redeemer” does not make Mary a “goddess” or “equal to Jesus”. Just like when I can say I’m a “co-worker” with my boss at work. We are “co-workers” even though my boss is above me in “power”. We are both working toward the same goal (success for the business).

With Mary, it’s the same concept. Through her intercessory prayers and, most importantly, through her “fiat”, she cooperates with the Saving Grace of her Son. This doesn’t mean she is “equal” to Him in power.

In the same respect, we can all be called “co-redeemers” when (or even if) we cooperate with Jesus in our lives. Being a “witness” for Christ is exactly that; it’s not merely relating one’s “testimony of salvation”, it’s living, day to day obedient to Him, thus demonstrating to the world it is indeed possible to live as a Christian.

Thus, a capitalized title of “Co-redeemer” for Mary is not something to be afraid of, as she was the first to cooperate with her Son; if this is stepping on some fellow Catholic toes around here, so be it. I’m sick of seeing that title “apologized away”. Mary not only deserves it, but we should all embrace it, as a reminder of what true Christian faith is, as it truly is not “sola fide”.

Maybe such a reminder that we are all part of the economy of salvation Christ has afforded through His Sacrifice is too uncomfortable for some, as it reminds some they aren’t truly living the Christian faith.

Flame away if you or anyone else wishes. As I’ve said in the past I’m done debating Catholicism; this is more for any lurker than the edification of any stony heart here.


661 posted on 09/05/2011 10:17:20 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven; Avalon Hussar; Salvation

I have tried to explain the Catholic understanding of Mary and her role in salvation history many times to no avail.

Mary is what she is because Jesus is who He is.

It’s that simple and yet it is made complicated by those who seize on one or two words out of the contextual whole and to use as doctrinal bludgeons.

We read in Proverbs that God listens to the righteous man
Proverbs 15:29

And we read that again in 1 Peter 3:12 12 ”Because the Lord’s eyes are turned to the just and his ears listen to their appeal.”

Mary was the first and most perfect of Christ’s disciples and she has attained that which we all are promised by Him.
Who is more righteous? None, but she is made so by Jesus as we are all made righteous and perfect by His sacrifice.


686 posted on 09/05/2011 11:02:52 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: FourtySeven
Through her intercessory prayers and, most importantly, through her “fiat”, she cooperates with the Saving Grace of her Son.

Mary has no power here on earth nor can she intercede on our behalf...that is the Holy Spirits work not Marys.

Jesus said..."No man comes to the Father except thru me" To say any other is denying Christ's "it is finished"....he paid the price..not Mary...He alone interceeds for us...not Mary.

693 posted on 09/05/2011 11:18:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: FourtySeven
If one is able to look at the situation objectively: The term “co-redeemer” does not make Mary a “goddess” or “equal to Jesus”. Just like when I can say I’m a “co-worker” with my boss at work. We are “co-workers” even though my boss is above me in “power”. We are both working toward the same goal (success for the business).

Your logic doesn't fly...

Mary and Jesus are co-redeemers but Jesus is the boss, eh??? Mary doesn't redeem anything...She gets redeemed herself...

There's no fact to your theory...There's no evidence for your theory...And you ought to be embarrassed to even bring it up...

1,028 posted on 09/06/2011 6:27:24 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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