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To: smvoice

Either you just contradicted yourself or Jesus’ manhood was incomplete or compromised somehow by his divinity. You may think so, but I follow Ephesus and Chalcedon.

Paul does not characterize any exception. For us to do so is to bring preconceptions to bour reading. In which case the tet does not serve. All we know is that he did not mean all.


3,660 posted on 09/16/2011 10:12:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Mad Dawg; smvoice
Paul does not characterize any exception. For us to do so is to bring preconceptions to bour reading. In which case the tet does not serve. All we know is that he did not mean all.

Nor does it mean that we can just randomly add people to that category based on whether we like them or not.

So if *all* doesn't really mean *all*, then what does it mean?

And if *all* doesn't really mean *all*, the Paul was wrong and there's a lie in Scripture? Sure you want to go there?

3,663 posted on 09/16/2011 10:26:25 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Mad Dawg; smvoice

MD: “Paul does not characterize any exception. For us to do so is to bring preconceptions to bour reading. In which case the tet does not serve. All we know is that he did not mean all.”

mm: Actually, the text is quite clear that it includes all the human race with the exception of Jesus. Mary was born of a human mother and father. She is included in that *all*.

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Romans 3

9What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16in their paths are ruin and misery,
17and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.


3,666 posted on 09/16/2011 10:29:08 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Mad Dawg; smvoice
Paul does not characterize any exception.

Actually, Paul DOES make one exception:

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

3,732 posted on 09/16/2011 3:53:18 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.)
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