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Paul also said, “Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life” (Rom. 6:3–4).

This teaching—that baptism unites us with Christ’s death and resurrection so that we might die to sin and receive new life—is a key part of Paul’s theology. In Colossians 2:11–13, he tells us, “In [Christ] you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision [of] Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ” (NIV).

We are told that at Paul’s conversion, “he rose and was baptized, and took food and was strengthened. For several days he was with the disciples at Damascus” (Acts 9:18–19). This was a water baptism. In Romans 6 and Colossians 2, Paul reminds his readers of their water baptisms, and he neither says nor implies anything about some sort of “invisible spiritual baptism.”

Martin Luther wrote in his Short Catechism that baptism “works the forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and grants eternal life to all who believe.” His recognition that the Bible teaches baptismal regeneration has been preserved by Lutherans and a few other Protestant denominations. Even some Baptists recognize that the biblical evidence demands the historic Christian teaching of baptismal regeneration. Notable individuals who recognized that Scripture teaches baptismal regeneration include Baptist theologians George R. Beasley-Murray and Dale Moody.

The anti-baptismal regeneration position is indefensible. It has no biblical basis whatsoever. So the answer to the question, “Are Catholics born again?” is yes! Since all Catholics have been baptized, all Catholics have been born again. Catholics should ask Protestants, “Are you born again—the way the Bible understands that concept?” If the Evangelical has not been properly water baptized, he has not been born again “the Bible way,” regardless of what he may think.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Are_Catholics_Born_Again.asp


3,131 posted on 09/13/2011 6:34:06 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
"For by one SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body..."1 Cor. 12:13. It is the Holy Spirit baptizing us into the Body of Christ, not water baptism.

"There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, One faith, ONE BAPTISM, One God and Father of all, who is above all and through all, and in you all." Eph. 4:4-6.

Which baptism do you think he is referring to here? The baptism by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ, or water? Because there cannot be two. There is ONE>

3,132 posted on 09/13/2011 6:39:58 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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Let's just look at Col. 2:11-13 and see if you're still LOLing when we're through. The circumcision made without hands is obviously a Spiritual circumcision performed by the Holy Spirit, unless you believe it is a circumcision made by an elbow or a foot. Continue on, the work of the Holy Spirit continues in the very next verse. "Buried with him in baptism".. Into Christ and into His body by the Holy Spirit.(Rom. 6:1-10; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27). Water baptism is a SYMBOL of figure of this spiritual baptism. (1 Peter 3:21).

"...wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." The SPIRITUAL resurrection from death in trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1-9). It is an operation OF GOD, not of a priest who baptizes in water (1 Cor.12:13; Rom. 6:1-10; Gal. 3:27).

It is made effective THROUGH THE FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, NOT THROUGH THE OPERATION OF THE PRIEST, MINISTER, PREACHER, etc.

Still having problems with this work of the Holy Spirit?

Read the next verse, 2:13."And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses:"..

This verse is the same in doctrine as Eph.2:1,5,11. This PROVES that the baptism of Col.2:12 is NOT one in water by a priest. It is God here that quickens or resurrects from death in trespasses and sins. No priest, minister, preacher can do this by water.

Colossians 2:11-23 are a continuous explanation of the work of the Holy Spirit in placing us into the Body of Christ. And not a single person gets wet.

3,142 posted on 09/13/2011 7:24:21 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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We are told that at Paul’s conversion, “he rose and was baptized, and took food and was strengthened. For several days he was with the disciples at Damascus” (Acts 9:18–19). This was a water baptism. In Romans 6 and Colossians 2, Paul reminds his readers of their water baptisms, and he neither says nor implies anything about some sort of “invisible spiritual baptism.More cluelessness...There is no water mentioned anywhere...

Joh 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

These are just some of the scriptures...Obviously you think this baptized and filled with the Spirit stuff is plain junk...

You might want to notice that without this indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you will have no Christian wisdom or revelation from the scriptures...

You will have no understanding...Nor will you know the power of God...And you're certainly not a born again Christian...Not without the Spirit of God within you...

You ought to be tremblin' in your boots right about now...

3,208 posted on 09/14/2011 5:53:25 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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