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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Let's just look at Col. 2:11-13 and see if you're still LOLing when we're through. The circumcision made without hands is obviously a Spiritual circumcision performed by the Holy Spirit, unless you believe it is a circumcision made by an elbow or a foot. Continue on, the work of the Holy Spirit continues in the very next verse. "Buried with him in baptism".. Into Christ and into His body by the Holy Spirit.(Rom. 6:1-10; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27). Water baptism is a SYMBOL of figure of this spiritual baptism. (1 Peter 3:21).

"...wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." The SPIRITUAL resurrection from death in trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1-9). It is an operation OF GOD, not of a priest who baptizes in water (1 Cor.12:13; Rom. 6:1-10; Gal. 3:27).

It is made effective THROUGH THE FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, NOT THROUGH THE OPERATION OF THE PRIEST, MINISTER, PREACHER, etc.

Still having problems with this work of the Holy Spirit?

Read the next verse, 2:13."And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses:"..

This verse is the same in doctrine as Eph.2:1,5,11. This PROVES that the baptism of Col.2:12 is NOT one in water by a priest. It is God here that quickens or resurrects from death in trespasses and sins. No priest, minister, preacher can do this by water.

Colossians 2:11-23 are a continuous explanation of the work of the Holy Spirit in placing us into the Body of Christ. And not a single person gets wet.

3,142 posted on 09/13/2011 7:24:21 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

Baptism saves. But not really because no Catholic is sure of their salvation based on baptism, because they are then taught that the Eucharist is necessary for salvation.

You have to go to confession and then are permitted to partake the eucharist which Catholicism teaches is required to be eaten in order to be saved.

But even then most Catholics aren’t sure of their salvation.

So then when you’re stuck depending on last rites, if they can get to you in time and that works. Of course, since no one knows for sure, there’s always protocol for getting the soul out of purgatory, if they’re fortunate enough to have made it there instead of hell.

In short, all the promises of God about our salvation notwithstanding, the average Catholic has no assurance of salvation through any of the works that they and Catholicism state are necessary to accomplish in order to gain salvation.


3,145 posted on 09/13/2011 7:48:45 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: smvoice
Well, if we're going to be throwing around verses from Paul to support theology because Paul is now a reputable and credible source, here's this about the assurance of our salvation....

Ephesians 1 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

3,146 posted on 09/13/2011 7:53:00 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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