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To: vladimir998; OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr; WPaCon
>>And I know that I do not confuse the inquisition with the Church of Rome itself.<<

Though the Catholic Church tries to whitewash or excuse away the inquisitions they do admit that it did happen and the leadership of the Church was responsible. These quotes from the Catholic library itself indicates that the Church was complicit, the inquisition did happen, deaths did happen, and Church leaders were involved.

“In fact, no one knows exactly how many people perished through the various Inquisitions.” (http://www.catholic.com/library/Inquisition.asp) Not denying that people perished but questioning the numbers of how many perished.

“We can determine for certain, though, one thing about numbers given by Fundamentalists: They are far too large.”(http://www.catholic.com/library/Inquisition.asp) Only that the numbers are too large, not that they didn’t occur.

So it would appear that even the official information from the Catholic Encyclopedia would differ with your take. It’s evident from that information that your claims are false.

I posted that paragraph for one reason. It was in response to a poster who claimed the RCC never was involved with anyone killed or burned at the stake. I knew the numbers in that paragraph were way too high. I also knew it would bring up the subject and prove that indeed the RCC was involved and it worked rather well. Look back at the post. I said “this should get your blood boiling”. It worked and worked well.

2,690 posted on 09/10/2011 8:49:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; vladimir998; OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr; WPaCon
For the discussion from the website of a researcher who studies democide (government murder) lines 13-22 are the Spanish Inquisition:

Table for Pre-20th Century Democide


2,694 posted on 09/10/2011 8:59:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: CynicalBear; OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr; WPaCon

You wrote:

“Though the Catholic Church tries to whitewash or excuse away the inquisitions they do admit that it did happen and the leadership of the Church was responsible.”

False. The Church has no reason to deny the inquisition, but it does not say the “leadership of the Church was responsible”.

“These quotes from the Catholic library itself indicates that the Church was complicit, the inquisition did happen, deaths did happen, and Church leaders were involved.”

Again, your making a false inference. The Church had authority to protect the flock from the dangers of heresy. This meant inquisitions were in order much as we have an FBI or senate investigative panels.

“In fact, no one knows exactly how many people perished through the various Inquisitions.”

Again, you’re making a false inference. We do not know EXACTLY how many were executed. But we do know it was not more than 15,000 over a 500 year history. I realize that you are probably completely dependent upon the internet for your information on the sunject because you most likely have never read even one book or even one scholarly article on the inquisition, but this doesn’t mean you have to distort what you find on the internet or be gullible (as you were with the anti-Catholic site).

“Not denying that people perished but questioning the numbers of how many perished.”

Again, some people were put to death by the state after inquisition trials. I don’t see anyone shying away from that fact here.

” Only that the numbers are too large, not that they didn’t occur.”

And who is saying anything different? You seem to be confusing the fact that the Church never executed anyone with the idea that someone here is claiming no one was ever executed by the state.

“So it would appear that even the official information from the Catholic Encyclopedia would differ with your take.”

No, again it is just your problem in understanding. The old Catholic Encyclopedia, for instance, is not “official”. It never was. It never will be.

“It’s evident from that information that your claims are false.”

Not so far.

“I posted that paragraph for one reason. It was in response to a poster who claimed the RCC never was involved with anyone killed or burned at the stake.”

False. Taht can’t be why you posted it because that is not what was said. This is what you quoted from “>>The Catholic Church never tortured or executed anyone.<<” There’s no denial of torture or execution there. There is a denial that the Church tortured or executed anyone. That denial makes sense since there was no teaching from the Church demanding the torture or execution of any specific person or persons.

“I knew the numbers in that paragraph were way too high.”

You knew you were posting A LIE? Seriously, you knew it was a fraudulent number and you posted what you knew to be fraudulent?

“I also knew it would bring up the subject and prove that indeed the RCC was involved and it worked rather well.”

So “tortured or executed” people has now become a mere “was involved” in sort of dealio? Wow, that’s quite the shifting slide rule of argument you have there.

“Look back at the post. I said “this should get your blood boiling”. It worked and worked well.”

I don’t see anyone’s blood boiling. I do see you admitting you posted something you knew was a fraud. Once again we see what Protestants think about the importance of truth. Lying is okay to them - as long as it accomplishes some sort of goal for them. It makes sense: Protestantism is a lie so why shouldn’t Protestants embrace lying?


2,701 posted on 09/10/2011 9:18:07 PM PDT by vladimir998
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