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To: OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr
>>The Catholic Church never tortured or executed anyone.<<

You can’t possibly be that ignorant unless you’re talking about a building. Have you ever heard of the inquisition? Let me give you one paragraph that might get you started “proving your point”.

In NEWS1675, we revealed that one of the psychological devices priests used to get their female penitents to have sex with them was the threat to lie to the "Holy" Inquisition, so the woman would be torturously murdered. Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people. But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition, you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again. (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1676.cfm)

I’m sure from that you will do some serious investigating to prove them wrong.

2,586 posted on 09/10/2011 3:30:27 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Whoa. 75 million people. What are you reading?

Phony Statistics

Many Fundamentalists believe, for instance, that more people died under the Inquisition than in any war or plague; but in this they rely on phony “statistics” generated by one-upmanship among anti-Catholics, each of whom, it seems, tries to come up with the largest number of casualties.

But trying to straighten out such historical confusions can take one only so far. As Ronald Knox put it, we should be cautious, “lest we should wander interminably in a wilderness of comparative atrocity statistics.” In fact, no one knows exactly how many people perished through the various Inquisitions. We can determine for certain, though, one thing about numbers given by Fundamentalists: They are far too large. One book popular with Fundamentalists claims that 95 million people died under the Inquisition.

The figure is so grotesquely off that one immediately doubts the writer’s sanity, or at least his grasp of demographics. Not until modern times did the population of those countries where the Inquisitions existed approach 95 million.

Inquisitions did not exist in Northern Europe, Eastern Europe, Scandinavia, or England, being confined mainly to southern France, Italy, Spain, and a few parts of the Holy Roman Empire. The Inquisition could not have killed that many people because those parts of Europe did not have that many people to kill!

Furthermore, the plague, which killed a third of Europe’s population, is credited by historians with major changes in the social structure. The Inquisition is credited with few—precisely because the number of its victims was comparitively small. In fact, recent studies indicate that at most there were only a few thousand capital sentences carried out for heresy in Spain, and these were over the course of several centuries.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Inquisition.asp

And there is more which I will look for and post later.


2,590 posted on 09/10/2011 3:41:55 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: CynicalBear; vladimir998

Vladimir, I’ve seen you posting about the Inquisition before, so thought you might like being pinged to 2,586 for a little chuckle.


2,659 posted on 09/10/2011 7:38:09 PM PDT by WPaCon
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To: CynicalBear; OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr; WPaCon

Your “facts” are completely bogus:

1) “You can’t possibly be that ignorant unless you’re talking about a building. Have you ever heard of the inquisition?”

I sure have. And I know that I do not confuse the inquisition with the Church of Rome itself. The Spanish Inquisition, for instance, was staffed by ecclesiastical AND SECULAR officials. The simple fact is that you most likely have never read a single book on the inquisition and have no idea of what you’re talking about.

2) “Let me give you one paragraph that might get you started “proving your point”.”

You’re about to quote an obviously anti-Catholic website. Do you normally rely on anti-semites for your info on Jews?

3) “In NEWS1675, we revealed that one of the psychological devices priests used to get their female penitents to have sex with them was the threat to lie to the “Holy” Inquisition, so the woman would be torturously murdered.”

Impossible. 1) Everyone questioned by the inquisition was asked who their enemies were. All the woman would have to do is say that the priest was her enemy and that would be the end of it. 2) People were NEVER tortured to death and in fact torture was extremely rare. Off the top of my head, I know of no cases at all of women being tortured. 3) Torture - really a form of water boarding - was used to gain information. No blood could be spilled. No bones broken. No permanent harm done. No one could be tortured more than once and no one could be tortured for more than 15 minutes.

4) “Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people.”

That’s complete nonsense. First, the first inquisition was around 1200. The last one of a similar nature to that one was in the early 18th century. That means no more than 500 years, not 1200 years. Also, no more than 15,000 people total were ever executed after inquisition trials - and all were executed by the state. The Church had no authority or ability to execute and never wanted it. The number I just gave is what reputable historians put forward. Only cranks and bigots out of touch with reality make claims in the millions. Here’s ho wwe know that to be the case:

75,000, 000 supposed victims divided by 500 years = an average of 410 executions every single day. If there were that many executions for 500 years, or even for one year, someone would have noticed. Not a single record - LITERALLY NOT ONE SINGLE RECORD - even gives a remote hint about executions numbering in the thousands week after week for hundreds of years on end. It just never happened. And people who make such claims make themselves look like morons to those of us who actually read books and can do basic math. Most anti-Catholics, however, are too stupid to do basic math apparently, and too bigotted to read books.

5) “But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition, you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again.”

Once someone realizes how anti-Catholics try to scam people with outrageous lies - remember they’re counting on the fact that their fans are too stupid as public school products to actually do basic math or read books - they will never look at anti-Catholic scumbags the same way again.

6) “I’m sure from that you will do some serious investigating to prove them wrong.”

Thankfully I did it years ago when I got a PhD in Medieval History with an emphasis on Church History.


2,676 posted on 09/10/2011 8:06:05 PM PDT by vladimir998
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