[Mad Dawg]

the unique way in which she co-operated in our redemption.
(1)She provided her very substance for his body,
(2) she offered him willingly for us,
(3)and she took a unique part in our salvation by
(3a) desiring it, (3b) praying for it, and so (3c) obtaining it..."

Again, we take Col 1:24 to imply that there IS a way that we can co-operate or contribute to Christ's redemptive work. I think THAT's the humongo theological hurdle/disagreement. For MOI, once we can accept what I take Col 1:24 to suggest, Mary's contribution seems evident.

Is that clearer? I'm not asking if you agree (ho ho ho), I'm asking if you 'get' the claim and the manner of its making.

[smvoice]

This will make it clearer to me than anything else. Where is Mary right now? Is she standing at the right hand of Christ in heaven? Does she dispense the graces that save? That would mean that Christ redeemed us, but Mary through dispensing saving grace, saves us. That would make her a CO-redeemer. An equal redeemer to Christ. WIthout redemption, one cannot be redeemed. And at the same time, without grace, one cannot be saved. One is as important as the other in our redemption and salvation. Anyway, this is what I’m getting at.

[Quix]

AS Scripture indicates . . .

So what.

It is the created creature’s

REASONABLE SERVICE

to be obedient.

There is no great honor or expected reward attributable to mere obedience.

That God does reward outrageously is not the issue. imho.

That’s NO justification for all manner of layers of man’s fantasies about God’s rewards.

[CynicalBear]

>>co-operate or contribute to Christ's redemptive work.<<

We can point to the redemptive work of Christ we cannot co-operate or contribute to that work. That’s the extent to which Mary could operate also while she was on earth.

[Iscool]

Again, we take Col 1:24 to imply that there IS a way that we can co-operate or contribute to Christ's redemptive work.

Problem is, there are far too many other verses that say you can't...

But what is it specifically that you can suffer that Jesus was behind in that will contribute to your own salvation???

I don't see how you even get that from reading the verse...

Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Paul is not saying that Jesus didn't receive enough afflictions so Paul had to make up for it...

Paul is saying he rejoices in his suffering because what little suffering he has in his flesh is nothing compared to what Jesus suffered...And this can and is verified by numerous scriptures...

Mat_5:11-12; Act_5:41; Rom_5:3; 2Co_7:4; Eph_3:1, Eph_3:13; Phi_2:17-18, Jam_1:2, 2Co_1:5-8, 2Co_4:8-12, 2Co_11:23-27; Phi_3:10; 2Ti_1:8, 2Ti_2:9-10