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To: metmom; Kolokotronis
I said
Mothers do not give birth to natures. They give birth to persons. She gave birth to a person who was God. She is the mother of the person she gave birth to. That person was God. She is the mother of God.

You said:

You just shot yourself in the foot with that one, MD.

Mary gave birth to the person who was the Christ, who was God in nature but not God as a person, therefore by your own reasoning, could not have given birth to God.

He was God AND Man as a person. I did not say he was not God (simply understood) as a person.

If Jesus was GOD, the person, then He was confined to a human body for His sojourn on earth and when He was crucified, the Romans crucified GOD. God died.

I don't know my way through what died and what didn't die on Calvary yet.

However, It was God the SON of God who Jesus was. Yes. The Romans Crucified God the Son of God. He let them. He interceded for them.

As to the confinement, don't forget eternity.God, all three persons, behold all of Time and Space in one 'here and now'. So I'm not sure he's confined in the sense that all he can do while He's incarnate is be incarnate. We need Kolokotronis. I think he's better at the Trinity and the Incarnation than I am. Is that what you're really saying because it sure sounds like it. Otherwise, it is treating Jesus as if that is all of God that there is.

1,270 posted on 09/06/2011 3:29:09 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

My contention is, and always has been, that saying that Mary was the mother of Christ says something different than Mary was the mother of God.

GOD, is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, eternal, without beginning or end.

Christ, during His incarnation, had a point of conception, although His nature didn’t.

It’s a technicality, but it is a distinction. The eternal, no beginning GOD did not have a mother. The Incarnation of CHRIST did. Saying the mother of Christ says something different than saying the mother of God.

Saying that Mary was the mother of God can too easily be construed as saying that Mary was the mother of the Godhead.

As long as the RCC continues to say that Mary was the mother of God, it will continue to carry the implication that Mary was the mother of the Godhead, as that is what it is saying if you stick to the plain meanings of the words.

It’s battle Catholics will fight and never win trying to explain it away. That only makes them look duplicitous,


1,278 posted on 09/06/2011 3:56:04 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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