I have no RC wisdom.
I prefer:
Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
It’s ALL about Jesus. You just cannot see. Or hear. Or understand. It’s not your fault. You’ve been blinded. Lest you see and hear and believe and are saved. But continue on with your road show carnival of RC “wisdom”.
Yes sir, I suspect it will. Blessed are the meek for theirs is the kingdom of heaven after all. Surely you weren’t putting yourself in the other group were you?
I have no RC wisdom.
I prefer:
Which ever one you choose. Hell has neither. ;)
Yes sir, I suspect it will. Blessed are the meek for theirs is the kingdom of heaven after all.
So for you, the meek are the inbred who believe anything that Billy Bob Rolex tells them, and doesn't apply to people like Mother Teresa? Very telling about who you hang out with.
Yes sir, I suspect it will. Blessed are the meek for theirs is the kingdom of heaven after all.
So for you, the meek are the inbred who believe anything that Billy Bob Rolex tells them, and doesn't apply to people like Mother Teresa? Very telling about who you hang out with.
Now you are reasonably dealing with a valid point, and i am sorry if you assumed i was speaking about anything less than absolute certitude. Trent did affirm the historical canon of Rome which precluded the possibility of change thus enabling absolute certitude for Catholics, versus a certitude which allows doubt and change due to a matter not being definitely settled. I did state in my response to MadDawg (before you first posted) who raised this issue, “the certitude aspect is based upon the certitude which requires assent of faith, which you need an infallible definition to do” but perhaps you did not see that or it was unclear.
Grace and peace through faith in Him who is faithful and true, and His sure word of prophecy.
I disagree, name it and claims and prosperity gospels are rather new.
Acceptance of homosexuality as no longer a sin and homosexual marriage is new.
Acceptance of contraception and abortion are new.
There are all kinds of new churches with odd beliefs.
Catholics are not immune to the lies Satan spreads, but individual Catholics do not make binding doctrine. When they fall victim to these things, they are sinning and leaving the bosom of the Church, which is sure and true.
And I question how literal protestants take Scripture when there is a glaring example of how that is just not so.
The only unity of doctrine protestants share is that which came to them from the Catholic Church.
Not a single protestant came to that knowledge free of any other human influence. Not one can claim with honesty to have searched Scriptures and found those particular doctrines believable and have done so without any human tutelage. One can only claim to have accepted what they have learned from others after studying Scripture.
I never wonder at the unity of protestants regarding faith and doctrine. Instead, I am saddened by the disunity I see.
The only unity I have ever seen in protestants is in their equal disdain, disparagement and damnatory accusations against Catholics.
There is no bondage in belonging to the Church. We are not told what to think, believe or read. The Church proclaims the truth which we may accept or not accept. Unfortunately, many Catholics fall prey to the siren call of protestantism and other non Christian religions.
So to you it’s either Billy Bob Rolex or Mother Teresa? Is your only defense of your religion being snide? From what I have seen you aren’t very well versed in what you believe and why you believe it. You can’t seem to back up your beliefs with scripture. Are you sure you should be posting in a religion forum?
I do agree with that somewhat, but notice you had to use a qualifier which shows that there are protestants outside of what people call, “mainline” or “mainstream” beliefs.
What is non essential to you may not be to another. Who decides what is essential and what is not.
And what I see coming is a time when we all will have to choose, there are some so called reformed churches that are venturing into some very troubling waters.
When those waves hit, people either succumb to heresy or break off to form another church.
Protestants are not unified.
(1) Anybody who thinks the Catholic Church has anything resembling control over their use of the English language has but to look at the [shudder] NAB. I call it the Yoda translation. It is neither faithful to the source nor fluent English. In a perverse way, it’s kind of an accomplishment. I think that no matter how hard I tried I could never miss the mark as consistently as they did.
(2). I doubt that 40% of us are that wacked out. I could see 400,000. But we tolerate those who appear to be tares. They’ve been known to be turned into wheat at the last moment. I’ll only panic when PapaBenXVI shows them anything more than courtesy.
Rome does not take a comprehensive dogmatic position on the end times beyond some basics, but here is some of what the Catechism teaches.
670 Since the Ascension God’s plan has entered into its fulfillment. We are already at “the last hour”.554 “Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect.”555 Christ’s kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.556
673 Since the Ascension Christ’s coming in glory has been imminent,566 even though “it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority.”567. This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are “delayed”.568
674 The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by “all Israel”, for “a hardening has come upon part of Israel” in their “unbelief” toward Jesus.
The “full inclusion” of the Jews in the Messiah’s salvation, in the wake of “the full number of the Gentiles”,572 will enable the People of God to achieve “the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”, in which “God may be all in all”.573
675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578 [fill in blank]
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581
988 The Christian Creed - the profession of our faith in God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and in God’s creative, saving, and sanctifying action - culminates in the proclamation of the resurrection of the dead on the last day and in life everlasting.
989 We firmly believe, and hence we hope that, just as Christ is truly risen from the dead and lives for ever, so after death the righteous will live for ever with the risen Christ and he will raise them up on the last day.534 Our resurrection, like his own, will be the work of the Most Holy Trinity:
1001 When? Definitively “at the last day,” “at the end of the world.”557 Indeed, the resurrection of the dead is closely associated with Christ’s Parousia:
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven, with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.558
1053 “We believe that the multitude of those gathered around Jesus and Mary in Paradise forms the Church of heaven, where in eternal blessedness they see God as he is and where they are also, to various degrees, associated with the holy angels in the divine governance exercised by Christ in glory, by interceding for us and helping our weakness by their fraternal concern” (Paul VI, CPG § 29).
Prophesy is not much my focus, but I tend to see the Lord coming for his own toward the end of the Tribulation, the faithful having been protected during it, during which God shall reverse the curse of blindness, the fullness of the Gentiles having entered in, with Jews believing then witnessing and entering into the Millennial reign of Christ, and so “all Israel - the natural branches now granted repentance, and the “Israel of God” - shall be saved. Israel’s repentance is what i see Rm. 11 teaching. (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/israel-chosenorforgotten.html).
The resurrected saints (resurrection of life: Jn. 5:29; first resurrection: Rv. 20:5) come with the Lord in judgment at Armageddon, (Jude. 1:14,15) and reign with Christ for a 1,00 years before the final war, and then judge angels as well as men (resurrection of damnation: Jn. 5:29; Rv. 20:12)
Seriously Jvette you need to realize that the beliefs that Catholics and Protestants share existed long before the RCC was ever formed. You keep trying to convince us that the RCC was Jesus. It is not. The beliefs that are common to both come from Jesus. Not the RCC.
I think this is one case where the KJV gets it utterly wrong. You won’t believe me so do a word study an hysteremata. It’s interesting.
Well marbren I really thought you had something going here until I read this:
“Quix is also very loving, though God has called him to a tough love approach at times in his watchman role.”
God called him? I don’t think so. There is no love there, I see only a person who even when he has been told what Catholics really believe still has his Ishtar nastiness to post.
That isn’t a watchman role, that is a reader of those disgusting comic books role.
Learning something is not the same as being corrected. It may surprise you to know that I learn from protestants all the time. I listen to a couple of protestant ministers on Sunday morning before going to Mass.
I understand the idea behind giving room for each others convictions as long as they don’t oppose the Word of God.
It makes for a very feel good, pat on the back discussion on the forums which I see here all the time. But, who makes the call.
When on the RF, I do not go into protestant threads. I tend to spend what time I have defending my faith from calumny and accusations. Among the protestants all the proper buzzwords are there, grace, salvation, Scripture alone, yet there are very differing beliefs as to the nature of God, Jesus, the church and what it means to be Christian among protestant Christians.
I don’t claim to know the “denominations” of individual FReepers, I am not interested actually. Even among the most recognized denominations there are fractions within the factions. It is confusing at best.
Again, the only unity I see in protestants is that they are not Catholic or Orthodox.
Agreed! And let's not forget that they had the written Old Testament - the Law and the Prophets - as an example. It's not like they never even thought about writing stuff down.
Again, as Catholics are only human, they like everyone else are easy prey for those who tickle their ears.
It doesn’t mean Catholicism is not true, it means they are not.
“If debate over books to include in scripture was so important to protestants why then did they retain these “Questionable “ works in their own bibles until the 19th cent when they were excised, not by theologians but by British publishers to save printing costs?.”
Great point.
Vincible ignorance !!!
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