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The mormon leadership dictating what one can eat, drink, read, one's underwear...and now proclaiming "Marriage is more important than education or career".

Sounds like they are grooming members for Obama's world.

Ping

Heh. I remember a memoir that noted how important early marriage and family were with certain generations.

During Viet Nam fr’instance, young Mormon men couldn’t wait to start a family.

With today’s access to a free flow of information the pale missionairies are encountering people forewarned. The mormon cults only hope for tomorrow’s converts is within the indoctrination camps environment of mormon enclaves. Not by coincidence, the mormon president announced their god has a special cherry on the mormon sundae for any mormons who father and raise ten children to adult active mormonhood.

FYI...for any taking umbrage with god small “g”, I do so recognizing mormons believe themselves future omnipotent gods in training, and that their god before them was a man traing to be a god himself before that. So I believe the small “g” is appropriate.

Adopted by mormons, raised in the cult and left it permanently on my eighteenth birthday. Nearly all my relatives (thru adoption) are mormon.

Well, this could lead to going back to their polygamy practices. Women have no change to be in the “celestial kingdom” without a husband. So mormons might just have to start have men marry as many woman as possible just to “call” them.

hmmm,

Jesus never married. So, does that mean he isn’t in heaven, seated at the right hand of His Father?

Mormonism, so very wrong in so many ways.

Mormon men waiting longer to marry, worrying church officials.

Recruiting must not be going too well. The Church wants members to pop out more mormons the old fashion way to keep the money flowing for the future.

And sometimes for other reasons, according to church President Thomas Monson.

"Men are having a little too much fun being single, taking extravagant vacations, buying expensive cars and toys, and just generally enjoying the carefree life with your friends," Monson said in a speech to the Worldwide General Conference of the church in April.

What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?

"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65

spencer kimball "Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196

"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.

kimball "I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965

"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155

"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

From the article: ...church leaders are concerned because they believe marriage is a prerequisite for life in eternity...Mormons believe that marriage in the temple is mandatory to reach the celestial, or highest level, of heaven. Only Mormons who marry can reach this level and expect to share eternity with their spouse and children.

One of the most glorious principles of the gospel is the eternal marriage covenant. (Lds "prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol. 4, Deseret Book Co. 1963/1979, p. 143)

Let me get this straight.

This Lds "prophet" -- in a book published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which owns Deseret Book Co., says that this proclamation of the eternal marriage covenant is "one of the most glorious principles of the gospel" -- albeit the Mormonized, cannibalized "gospel."

Isn't this the so-called "restored" gospel given to Joseph Smith thru the finding of gold plates & then "translated" by him into the Book of Mormon?

Surely, if this concept of eternal marriage be "one of the most glorious principles of the gospel", we can find this principle highlighted front & center in the Book of Mormon. Right?

After all, The Book of Mormon is the supposed "fulness" of the everlasting gospel, is it not per Mormons? Can't we find when we turn to D&C 20, that "the Book of Mormon; which contains a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also" (Lds "scripture" Doctrine & Covenants 20:8-9)

Doesn't D&C 42:12 say that "the elders priests and teachers of this church shall teach the principles of my gospel, which are in the Bible and Book of Mormon, in the which is the fulness of the gospel"???

[What's an "in the which" anyhow as a "revelation" from the Mormon god?]

So in the "full-gospel" Book of Mormon, which proclaims the "fulness" thereof of the Mormonized "gospel," surely one of the "most glorious principles" of that "gospel" is taught all over -- or at least highlighted -- in the Book of Mormon.

Right?

Please say right, oh C-one?

(I don't want to have to take out my scissors & clip away D&C 20:8-9 & 42:12 as being irrelevant & false)

So, right? Right?

Sorry.

Wrong.

Nary a mention of eternal marriage in the BoM.

Oops, Joey. (I guess you goofed...and took all the gullibles with you)

UH. "'Fulness' of the gospel?"

(Never ye mind)

Bottom line, ye single Mormon men: Hey, if eternal marriage is not part of the "fulness of the gospel," then it's a "take it or leave it" option for you. Don't let Mormon clamp-hard, constipation-laden G.A. "heavies" force your hand. Show your free agency. Tell 'em to lay off.

If you're interested in this story & discussion, I think you'll also be interested in this one from Religion Dispatches.org, as discussed by FREEPERS almost a year ago:

Visit the Salt Lake City Cemetery, and you’ll see headstone after headstone engraved with the Salt Lake temple, with an occasional depiction of some other LDS temple here and there. Unlike crosses adorning Catholic headstones or the Star of David on Jewish headstones, the LDS temple is not a symbol, a refined visual token of belief or belonging: instead, it’s a literal representation—announcing where the people in these graves were married.

It is impossible to understand the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints without understanding the role of marriage in the religion. Marriage is not merely a good idea in Mormonism, a source of companionship or a stable environment for raising happy children. Founder Joseph Smith did not agree with Paul’s advice in I Corinthians 7, that celibacy is superior to marriage, but that “it is better to marry than to burn.” Instead, Smith established a religion in which heterosexual marriage is not just a sacrament but a commandment, an absolutely necessary prerequisite for salvation and exaltation.

An 1843 “revelation” known as Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants announces a form of marriage that is “a new and everlasting covenant,” one that allows couples to be married not merely until “death do us part” but for “time and all eternity,” provided the marriage is “sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed.” In such a marriage, the couple “shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths” (D&C 132:19).

Source From Here to Eternity: Of Mormons and Celestial Marriage

If you look @ post #30, I cite the Tanner's Changing World of Mormonism (pp. 231-234), which mentions that...
* Joseph Smith was given wives post-humously -- up to at least 229 more wives up thru 1881...
* "Moreover, a great many distinguished women in history, including several Catholic saints, were also sealed to Joseph Smith in Utah. I saw these astonishing lists in the Latter-day Saint Genealogical Archives in Salt Lake City in 1944." (Tanner, p. 232) * The dead Bring'em young & "alive" too had such Post-humous "marriages" to Brigham Young (p. 233): 53 such additional "wives" to the 150 Brigham had sealed to him women (p. 231)
* Lds First President Heber C Kimball prophesied that he would have thousands of wives (p. 234):
* 300 women were sealed for eternity to the Lds "apostle" Pratt brothers (from whom Mitt Romney is descended) (p. 234):

According to Stanley S. Ivins, the Endowment House Records reveal that on November 22, 1870, Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt had himself sealed to 101 dead women. On November 29, 1870, he was sealed to 109 dead women. The same day (November 29, 1870) 91 dead women were sealed to his brother, Parley P. Pratt, who had died in 1857.

(There must have been a doorbuster Christmas "sale" going on re: available women that Thanksgiving week in 1870!)

Post-humous "marriages" to the Lds "prophet" Wilford Woodruff, the guy that supposedly cracked down on plural marriages! (Tanner, p. 234)

Mr. Ivins found that the St. George Temple records show that Wilford Woodruff—who later became the fourth president of the church—was sealed to 189 dead women in a period of slightly over two years (January 29, 1879 to March 14, 1881).

Who might hold the record per the Tanners? (p. 234)

Moses Franklin Farnsworth was sealed to 345 dead women in a two-year period. At one time we thought that Mr. Farnsworth held the record for the largest number of dead women sealed to him. New evidence, however, has forced us to revise that conclusion. On April 5, 1894, the Apostle Abraham Cannon recorded the following in his diary: THURSDAY, APRIL 5th, 1894.... I met with the Quorum and Presidency in the temple.... President Woodruff then spoke ... "In searching out my genealogy I found about four hundred of my femal[e] kindred who were never married. I asked Pres. Young what I should do with them. He said for me to have them sealed to me unless there were more that [than?] 999 of them.

From the article: ...church leaders are concerned because they believe marriage is a prerequisite for life in eternity...Mormons believe that marriage in the temple is mandatory to reach the celestial, or highest level, of heaven. Only Mormons who marry can reach this level and expect to share eternity with their spouse and children.

On Halloween 57 years ago, eventual Lds "prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith was answering questions @ a Ensign Stake Conference. The question was: What does a young woman or a young man do who marrieds outside of the temple of the Lord.

Joseph Fielding Smith gave an elongated answer; the initial sentence was rather telling: "Unless young people who marry outside the temple speedily repent, they cut themselves off from exaltation in the celestial kingdom." (Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol. 4, p. 196, Deseret Book Co. 1963/1979)

ALL: First of all, allow me to unpack the Mormonese vocabulary in how they define "Exaltation":
(a) Living with God the Father forever; if you don't get exaltation, you are shut out of His presence FOREVER!
(b) The highest degree of glory and the ONLY ONE Mormons say where families get to stay together forever;
(c) You become a god and share glory, worship, adoration, etc. as a god competing with the other Mormon gods.

Secondly, Joseph Fielding Smith's response raises a # of interesting questions:
(a)When Mormons are told to "repent," how are they to do that? Well another "prophet," Spencer W. Kimball, wrote the book, The Miracle of Forgiveness. He states in that book that the only true repentance is to never commit that sin again. If you re-commit the same sin, then, he says, you never repented to begin with.

Well, given Joseph Fielding Smith's stern admonition to "repent" for marrying outside the temple, isn't the only way to show true repentance is to never marry outside the temple again? Hmmm...

(b) Sandwiched between Smith's stern admonition in 1954 -- which was published in 1963 by the Lds church & republished again in 1979 -- was this curious note of vicarious grace for those who haven't been married in the temple...published in 1958 and again in 1979:

There are thousands of members of the Church in foreign lands who have married...deprived of the privilege of being 'sealed' for time and all eternity. Many of these have passed away, and their blessings are given them vicariously. (Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, vol. 2, p. 37, Deseret Book Co., 1958/1979)

Well, hey, Lds "prophets": If you can just hand out sealings for eternity willy-nilly vicariously, who cares if any Mormons get married in temples?

Who cares if they even get married? Can't the Mormon "prophets" simply "assign" wives to men vicariously after they die?

Didn't that happen already with Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, the Lds "apostle" Pratt brothers, Wilford Woodruff? (see my previous post)