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The Seal of Confession and The Virtue of Religion
The Hermeneutic of Continuity ^ | 8/17/11 | Fr. Tim Finnigan

Posted on 08/18/2011 7:18:16 AM PDT by marshmallow

So why is the seal of confession inviolable? Why does the seal bind under such a grave obligation that the Church excommunicates any confessor who directly violates it? (See: The seal of confession: some basics)

There are two principal reasons why the priest must preserve the seal: the virtue of justice and the virtue of religion. The motive of justice is evident because the penitent, by the very fact of entering the confessional, or asking the priest to hear his confession (we’ll deal with “reconciliation rooms” another day) rightly expects that the priest will observe the seal. This is a contract entered into by the fact of the priest agreeing to hear a person’s confession. To mandate the violation of the seal is in effect to prohibit the celebration of the sacrament of Penance.

Much more grave than the obligation of justice towards the penitent is the obligation of religion due to the sacrament. The Catholic Encyclopaedia gives a brief explanation of the virtue of religion which essentially summarises the teaching of St Thomas Aquinas. (Summa Theologica 2a 2ae q.81) Religion is a moral virtue by which we give to God what is His due; it is, as St Thomas says, a part of justice. In the case of the sacrament of Penance, instituted by Christ, Fr Felix Cappello explains things well [my translation]:

By the very fact that Christ permitted, nay ordered, that all baptised sinners should use the sacrament and consequently make a secret confession, he granted an absolutely inviolable right, transcending the order of natural justice, to use this remedy. Therefore the knowledge which was their own before confession, after the communication made in confession, remains their own for every non-sacramental use, and that by a power altogether sacred, which no contrary human law can strike out, since every human law is of an inferior order: whence this right cannot be taken away or overridden by any means, or any pretext, or any motive.

The penitent confesses his sins to God through the priest. If the seal were to be broken under some circumstances, it would put people off the sacrament and thereby prevent them from receiving the grace that they need in order to repent and amend their lives. It would also, and far more importantly, obstruct the will of God for sinners to make use of the sacrament of Penance and thereby enjoy eternal life. The grace of the sacrament is absolutely necessary for anyone who commits a mortal sin. To mandate the violation of the seal is in effect to prohibit the practice of the Catholic faith. Some secular commentators have spoken of the seal of confession as being somehow a right or privilege of the priest. That is a preposterous misrepresentation: it is a sacred and inviolable duty that the priest must fulfil for the sake of the penitent and for the sake of God's will to redeem sinners.

A possibly misleading phrase in this context is where theologians say that the penitent is confessing his sins as if to God "ut Deo." (You can easily imagine secularists deriding the idea that the priest makes himself to be a god etc.) In truth, the penitent is confessing his sins before God. The priest acts as the minister of Christ in a sacred trust which he may not violate for any cause - precisely because he is not in fact God. By virtue of the penitent’s confession ut Deo, the priest absolves the penitent and, if mortal sin is involved, thereby readmits him to Holy Communion.

There will be more to follow on the sacrament of confession. As I mentioned in my previous post, this series is not intended as a guide for making a devout confession but rather as an introduction to some canonical and theological questions regarding the sacrament which have become important recently. (For a leaflet on how to make a good confession, see my parish website.)

I have been told that the threat in Ireland to introduce a law compelling priests to violate the seal of confession has been withdrawn, at least for the time being. Nevertheless, I will continue with these posts because I think that the Irish proposal will be picked up by other secularists and may pose a problem for us. Further posts will look at the proper place, time and vesture for hearing confessions, one or two more particular crimes in canon law, the question of jurisdiction and the much misused expression “Ecclesia supplet”, and, of course, what to do if the civil authority tries to compel a priest to break the seal.


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To: Mad Dawg
It still sounds gnostic to me.

1Cor2:14 "But people who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for ONLY those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means".
361 posted on 08/22/2011 8:16:46 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mad Dawg
This would seem to be an extreme demonstration of my contention that Protestants reject Reason. The gulf between us is deep. It is Nominalism taken to the umpteenth limit and beyond. I don't see how it is not, au fond, gnosticism, but, of course, the conversation cannot be had since any disagreement is thrown in the "non-spiritual discernment" bucket.

Naw...Being led by the Holy Spirit to understand the things of God in the scriptures is not Gnosticism...

Seems you guys use Reason and Common Sense to reject the story of Jonah and the Whale and numerous other OT happenings...God didn't open the Red Sea...It was actually the very shallow Reed Sea that they walked across...But somehow the Pharaoh and his crew drowned in the shallow water...

These sound reasonable I guess...But that's the reasoning of yours that we reject...

Another one of your reasoning issues is that if we believe we have eternal security(OSAS), that means we can go on sinning with no repercussions...

We understand how that operates but you guys can't seem to get it...

I'll take God's wisdom taught in the scripture and revealed by the Holy Spirit and leave your Reason alone...

362 posted on 08/22/2011 8:25:54 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Mad Dawg
Less than a month ago I was talking about life in Christ involving continuous conversion. I was commended by the friar who heard my remarks.

Do you mean conversion to your Catholic religion???

We Protestants don't have a continuous conversion...We are converted...It's a done deal...

363 posted on 08/22/2011 8:34:41 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: metmom; stonehouse01
Salvation IS being saved from damnation. If you know your destination, how can you not be certain of it?

In John 10:27-30, Jesus says:

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

So his sheep hear his voice and follow him and he GIVES them eternal life and they shall NEVER perish. So, the question is are you his sheep or aren't you? You don't wait until you die to find out if you are a sheep or you are a goat, but you hear his voice and follow him because he is the shepherd. And if you are his sheep, then you can't and won't be changed into a goat because he promised you will never perish and you will not be snatched out of his hand. That is but one of many passages of Scripture whereby we are assured of our eternal life with the Lord.

364 posted on 08/22/2011 9:38:41 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom
I am in no way suggesting that so-called Baptists or any other self-described Protestant is going to be the epitome of a Christian. I think we can all agree that the tares with wheat variety affects all the “cereals” bowls of churches. If going to church made someone a Christian, then Jesus didn't need to go through what he did for us, that should be plenty plain.

When he said many are called but few are chosen, I really believe he spoke about those who take this faith thing seriously. It IS a lifelong walk of discipleship and perseverance that is NOT for softies. God knows the heart and is never fooled by labels or masks. True faith TRULY changes people, that's why Jesus said we can know by our fruit.

365 posted on 08/22/2011 9:53:47 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Mad Dawg; daniel1212
So, again, my experience is just very different from the church Protestsnts describe.

And yet there are quite a number of us who relate experience with that *second* church. That has to give it some credibility since it's so widespread by people of such otherwise diverse backgrounds.

You are the odd one out even among practicing Catholics, and that is not a criticism or condemnation, just an observation.

366 posted on 08/22/2011 10:50:03 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: EN1 Sailor
your statement fails if it intends to say this was a "invention" added 1000 years ago. The Sacrament of Confession (which is also held by traditional Lutherans by the way) dates much earlier.

Some of the Early Christians talking on this were

The Church has always been the community, the family in Christ. It's continuation through the centuries through strifes internal and external are solely due to the grace of the Holy Spirit

It is not purely about "community service" rather first service to God.

367 posted on 08/22/2011 11:29:29 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Quix
"How many Proddy sermons have you heard on that? "

here's one: Sermons from Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, Holy Absolution

Confession and absolution is the ongoing work of Baptism. It is a return to the water, a sprinkling with the Word of Baptism that first brought us life and cleansing. So basic is confession to the Christian life, that the Large Catechism simply says: “When I urge you to go to confession, I am simply urging you to be a Christian.” Christians confess their sins and are forgiven. Unbelievers deny their sins and have no use for forgiveness.....

Confession is directed in three ways - to God, to the neighbor, and to the pastor. A Christian always confesses to God, and can always confess to God directly, as we do in the Lord’s Prayer and in our own personal prayers. That is your privilege as a baptized child of God. People sometimes use this privilege as a dodge and an excuse. “I can confess directly to God; therefore, I don’t need to confess before another.” That isn’t humility, but pride. The very words and deeds we are ashamed to admit before a fellow sinner, we were not ashamed to say and do in full view of the Lord of heaven and earth....

Though we may confess to God directly, He always deals with us through the external Word, the Word outside of ourselves - through Baptism, through the Lord’s Supper, through the preached Word. The person who boasts confidently, “I can confess my sins to God directly, and therefore don’t need the church,” misses the basic point. It’s not our confession, but God’s forgiveness that matters. And God always deals with us through the incarnation of Jesus, through earthy, creaturely means such as water, bread, wine, words, in this case sound waves that emanate from mouths and go into ear holes.

Christians also confess to their pastor. There are several good reasons for doing this. First, he is ordained to hear confession. That’s what we put him there for. It is one of the tasks laid on a pastor at his ordination. Second, he is equipped by practice and training to help others sharpen and deepen their confession and to square them to the Word of God. Third, he is bound by solemn vow to secrecy, something that a close friends is not. For a pastor to break the seal of confession is grounds for dismissal

Fourth, the pastor is a public, corporate person. He holds an office. The pastor does not speak for himself but for Christ and for the whole church. The pastor is a minister, a servant of the Word, a steward of God’s mysteries revealed in Christ. He is not there as superior, but as servant. He serves not “from above” but “from below.” He is there not to condemn but to forgive. He is under holy orders to forgive. A friend may forgive you simply to keep you as a friend. A family member may forgive you for no other reason than to keep peace in the family. Friends and family we have aplenty. Pastors, we have precious few. A pastor forgives by the divine order of the crucified, risen, and reigning Son of God, “in his stead and by his command.” He represents the person of Jesus, not his own person. Even if the pastor doesn’t like you, or even if you don’t like him, his forgiveness is Christ’s forgiveness, sure and certain, addressed to you. And that’s really all that matters....

As we've shown before, your group of "Proddy's" are NOT Protestants, but include only those who believe in conspiracy theories like that of 9/11 and aliens among us -- for the former, your group was slapped on the wrist sharply by JR, do remember.
368 posted on 08/22/2011 11:35:06 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: caww; metmom
you'll say "penance has no scriptural basis"

The scriptures refute you


369 posted on 08/22/2011 11:40:50 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: metmom; Coleus; MarkBsnr; johngrace; Natural Law; Salvation; Religion Moderator

Mad Dawg is hardly odd man out among the Free Republic Catholics. None of us, that I know of, recognize the Catholic Church protestants describe here, as ours.

And by the way, which one of you or your protestant FRiends is going around adding “pedophilepatronsaint” to the John Paul II threads’ keywords? That appears to be meant to offend, and it does. What kind of people ARE you?


370 posted on 08/22/2011 11:43:03 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: caww
see themselves yet in bondage to the law by the rituals and various do or do not "clauses"

As shown by your group's posts over and over again, your posts have no clue about anything

It's like the time your post said that there would be a business and commercial complex set up on the archaeological dig site of Babylon

It would be good to read the Bible and some history before your group mouths its nonsense.

371 posted on 08/22/2011 11:43:14 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: caww
until catholics recognize and accept the facts

Oh we recognize the facts that Our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ is God. Your cult with it's tendency to flip over every hoax is the one dying out as it is based not on the solid ground that is provided by ground, but is rootless

372 posted on 08/22/2011 11:44:48 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: caww; MarkBsnr; Salvation
I disagree

As usual your posts posit points with no facts, no statements, no experience nothing, just hot air in the posts.

373 posted on 08/22/2011 11:46:15 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: caww
I disagree.....it's centered on the Priest and his actions as he goes thru the rituals. Most everything is tailored and starched....repetition abounds.

And when was the last mass you attended?

374 posted on 08/22/2011 11:48:26 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Iscool

I mean conversion to Christ.


375 posted on 08/23/2011 1:42:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Cronos

Wow! That’s a heck of a find!


376 posted on 08/23/2011 1:47:11 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Judith Anne

The answer you’ll get: “my sources are mine alone. It’s secret. Top secret. I got it straight from the little green alien from Betelgeuse”


377 posted on 08/23/2011 2:20:29 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Actually, our Lutheran brothers are closer to us doctrinally than I thought


378 posted on 08/23/2011 2:21:04 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Well, some of them. I think there is now a wide variation among the various synods.


379 posted on 08/23/2011 2:50:50 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Iscool; daniel1212

Maybe you two should discuss conversion.


380 posted on 08/23/2011 3:05:51 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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