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LOL!! I do believe Mr. Kinsella may be lurking on Free Republic!

Great article that does an excellent job of setting the record straight.

1 posted on 08/11/2011 4:48:02 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Ping!


2 posted on 08/11/2011 4:49:58 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking...." (2 Peter 3:3))
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In 177 AD, which is, ummm, like 1833 years ago, Irenaeus wrote in 'Against Heresies (1.10) "What the church believes: One God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who PROCLAIMED THROUGH THE PROPHETS THE DISPENSATONS OF GOD, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His future manifestation from heaven." In addressing the teachings of an heretical sect called 'Montanists" (today we'd call them 'replacement theologians') Irenaeus wrote; "Montanists set at naught the gift of the Spirit, which in the latter times has been, by the good pleasure of the Father, poured out upon the human race, do not admit that aspect of the EVANGELICAL DISPENSATION presented by John's Gospel, in which the Lord promised that He would send the Paraclete (John 16); but set aside at once both the Gospel and the prophetic Spirit."

The heart of this article is the section regarding the early church fathers. These quotes, if they hold up in translation, are golden.

6 posted on 08/11/2011 5:08:29 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Insightful post.


12 posted on 08/11/2011 7:15:58 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

LOL, he very well may be a lurker.

No one i know teaches the Church “replaced” Israel.

the Church is Israel!!

The One Olive Tree has a natural JEWISH branch, but Gentile believers are grafted into the tree.

No Replacement! Paul taught that if you belong to Christ, you are an heir to the promises made to Abraham.

Romans 2:29 teaches a true Jew is one inwardly ( faith ) not DNA.

The Israel of God is made of believers, not DNA.


13 posted on 08/11/2011 7:42:05 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Good Essay Thank You GiovannaNicoletta I learned something new. One aspect of childlike faith for me is to be teachable. You have taught me much.

Most Dispensationalists couldn't care less whether or not a segment of the Church believes it will go through the Tribulation. I am among that group.

This is one line that gave me pause. Does it matter from scripture when the rapture happens?

I do realize the main thesis of the essay the dispensational label vs covenant label. BTW Why do we need labels that put us in groups?

14 posted on 08/12/2011 6:10:36 AM PDT by marbren (I do not know but Thank God God knows)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Is Dispensationalism a Recent Doctrine? How Do YOU Define 'Recent'?

How do you define "dispensationalism"?

First, let's clearly define what Dispensationalism means; "the act of dispensing or something dispensed; a specific arrangement or system by which something is dispensed."

Really? Wow. I guess it depends on what is, is.

Origin taught Dispensationalism in 230 AD (1,779 years ago).

So, the arch-allegorizer Origen, the ECF that every dispensationalist loves to loathe, is rehabilitated now? At least for rhetorical purposes.

In addressing the teachings of an heretical sect called 'Montanists" (today we'd call them 'replacement theologians') Irenaeus wrote;

And this makes me wonder if Mr. Kinsella has any idea what he's talking about.

16 posted on 08/12/2011 7:16:06 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Good article. Two slight errors:

Justin Martyr taught in the 2nd century (103-165) not the first, and the Protestant Reformation began in the 16th Century (October 31st, 1517 — Martin Luther nail the “95 Theses” to the door at the Wittenburg Chapel), not the 15th Century....


26 posted on 08/12/2011 12:29:19 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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