Mormonism and Mitt Romney’s “Weirdness”

New York Times ^ | Aug. 9, 2011 | Ross Douthat

[Elsie]

You're free to believe as you wish, but understand that you do not speak for all Christians even though you say you do.

DAng!

I miss ALL the good stuff!!

[Elsie]

... all Christians I've known my whole life who I've discussed this with do not use it as you and the others on this thread do.

Dang!

Who you been hangin' wid?

[Elsie]

Exact quote:

"One kills the body and spirit....the other kills the spirit and the mind. Both are equally evil and bad for our country.
So if it's the lesser of two evils as choices I will vote for neither. Third party will be my choice. And if the country falls it falls....rather than a long drawn out death."

NOT an 'exact' quote:

"to foment hatred towards other people, or in caww's case, billions of people. "

[Elsie]

Declare victory and leave the battlefield...

[Elsie]

Which states then that some are evil, so by what standard do you determine "some" of them are evil...
how do you differentiate some from the all?

[Elsie]

1/3 Beast

[reaganaut]

All Christians who believe the Bible to be the Word of God are in agreement with the definition of Evil, and it isn’t your liberal definition either.

[reaganaut]

So one Freeper calling a Mormon Freeper “evil” and “bad for the country” is not making it personal?!

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CAWW did not call a mormon freeper or any individual Mormon ‘bad for the country’.

[ejonesie22]

Wow for someone who had no interest in this subject you posted a lot, and seemed a bit miffed that things are not to your liking...

[caww]

“The question of evil....... it is more complex than they some think it is. Why?.... Because one must question the questioner.

If there’s such a thing as evil, you assume there’s such a thing as good.... If you assume there’s such a thing as good, you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which ..”to differentiate between good and evil”.

If you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law, you must posit a moral law giver,... but that’s whom they are trying to disprove and not prove....... Because if there’s not a moral law giver, there’s no moral law.... If there’s no moral law, there’s no good...... If there’s no good, there’s no evil..... What is their question?

Now you may question the last jump:

..... why do you actually need a moral law giver if you have a moral law?...... The answer is because the questioner and the issue he or she questions always involve the essential value of a person....... That is, you can never talk of morality in abstraction....... Persons are implicit to the question and the object of the question.

In a nutshell, positing a moral law without a moral law giver would be equivalent to raising the question of evil without a questioner..... So you cannot have a moral law unless the moral law itself is intrinsically woven into personhood,.... which means it demands an intrinsically worthy person if the moral law itself is valued...... And that person can only be God.

Apologetist: Ravi Zacharias

[caww]

I thought that as well...but ok with that...the dialogue on the thread was very insightful and interesting.

BTW I intended pinging you with the others to Ravi’s statement on evil but couldn’t remember how to spell your Freep-name! Tom would be good or Carol....LOL!

[ejonesie22]

It’s all good I caught it...

[caww]

Good..and thanks.

[Elsie]

"Did GOD really say..."

(somewhere in the Bible; I think...)

[MarkBsnr]

"Did GOD really say..." (somewhere in the Bible; I think...)

I think that the latest revelations by the god in the mirror trump the Bible, do they not? I'm sure that the Bible says nothing about lesbian priestesses or pederast pastors...

I'm sure that belief in God is considered an optional extra and a distasteful one at that. And this 'evil' thing is just a hateful legacy. Why can't we all just get along?

[Paperdoll]

In secret societies the member doesn’t know the entire story until he gets into the top echelon. The same is true of Mormonism. And Mitt Romney is an elite Mormon. The Mormon people are misled by their church as a means of control. It tells them if they obey the church they will become as gods when they die. That is Satanic.

As the Muslims still do, in early days Mormons practiced polygamy in order to have as many children as possible, because, as his church tells them, when each Mormon man dies he will receives his own planet. The more children he had here, the more power they will wield there.

The Muslims mean to take over the world just as the Mormons do. Satan is evil. God is good. Satan is doing his level best to gain complete control today, but, in the end. God will prevail! Hallelujah!