My (Protestant) minister is female, and she’s fabulous. I think the Catholic Church is wrong on this question - carrying over a cultural detail from 2,000 years ago that is not central to scripture and should not be central to doctrine.
That said, my opinion is entirely irrelevant. The Church is the sole authority on who is a Catholic priest. These women should be Catholics and follow the Church’s rules or protestants and admit honestly that they are not Roman Catholic. I see no point in their current dishonest path.
Glad you like your protestant female minister.
You are correct. These women need to stop trying to change the catholic faith and go join the Protestants if they want to be ministers.
They aren’t Catholics.If they don’t like the rules they should move on. I would have more respect for them if they did.
So do you think that you are more compassionate and just than our Lord Jesus Christ? It is His action that we are following, not that of some man-made rule imposed by the Church after the fact.
And thank you for providing an opportunity to explain why women can never serve as priests in either the Catholic or Orthodox Churches.
The times have often favored a female priesthood and never more so than when Christ ordained his first priests, nearly 2,000 years ago. Virtually all the pagan religions of his day had priestesses, and it would have been entirely normal and natural for him to choose women for this task. He had, moreover, a number of excellent potential candidates, from his own Mother, who accompanied him at his first miracle and stood with him as he suffered on the cross, to Mary Magdalene or the women of Bethany. Instead, he chose only men, and he remained immovable on this, continuing right to the end to exhort and train them all, leaving thus a Church which turned out to be safely founded on a rock. From those twelve men a direct line of apostolic succession has given the Catholic Church the bishops and priests it has today.
In the Church’s latest statement on this matter, Pope John Paul II, using his full authority as the successor of Peter, stated categorically that the Church cannot—not will not, but cannot —ordain women, now or in the future. The Catechism of the Catholic Church sets it out clearly, quoting the decree Inter insigniores:
"Only a baptized man [ vir] receives sacred ordination. The Lord Jesus chose men [ viri] to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ’s return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible."
We need to understand that Christians believe God to be the essence of divine omnipotence. To put it crudely, he doesn’t make mistakes. When he became incarnate as a human being, he did so at a precise and exact moment in human history, which had been planned from all eternity. From the beginning, God had chosen that there would be a Jewish people, among whom his divine Son would be born. Their own priestly traditions would form part of the background and culture which would help them—and others—to see and know him. Every detail about the Incarnation was known in the mind of God. He was born into the fullness of time.
You can read more about this here.
How many of the Apostles were women?
My (Protestant) minister is female, and she’s fabulous.
Has that "fabulous" woman explained what defense strategy she plans to mount during her particular judgment?
"Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
I see no point in their current dishonest path.
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awesome post. my compliments, to you and your minister.
(i like how you say your opinion, without attacking.
i also respect my Christian brothers and sisters,
as long as they treat my church with the same respect.)
...and precisely because of your good points about honesty,
i question their true motives.
many many people split off from Lutheran churches, and form their own synod, etc.
and with the current debate in many churches,
about gay clergy, we see many congregations splitting.
so, why don’t these people, simply split, and from their own “Reformed Catholic Church” or something?
(or join an Anglican type church, which is similar, but permits women priests.)
instead, these, and other non-profits who object to church teachings, insist on calling themselves Catholic.
i think the people behind it, wish to destroy the Church,
just as many liberals in the USA with to destroy ALL Christian churches.
Not central to scripture? How God laid out the authority of the local church is not central? Wow, I don’t know what Bible you read. It isn’t the one God wanted you to read. “Hey God, I know your Holy word laid out that only men should be priests but well, we didn’t care and did our own thing.”
Women ministers as in preachers or teachers -- it is against what St. Paul said, there's no getting around that
HOWEVER, if you put that big statement aside (which is pretty much impossible, but just for hypothetical statement), women ministers/preachers/teachers are just as capable if not more capable than many men. In fact I'd also wager that a higher % of women get to heaven
So, ministers, administrators, I got no problem about (w.r.t. preachers, I think they're good, but Paul is clear that it's no, so I say no), but priests are something different.
the priest are those who are the instruments of the eucharist, where the REAL, TRUE body of Christ is present. This is taken as continuation of what Christ celebrated.
hence there just cannot be a priestess.
I am fully in support of nuns getting more administrative control - many convents etc. are run very well. Even maybe ministerial aspects. But as priestesses, no
Now my objection to him was that every Christian group that has first allowed pastoresses etc. eventually moves to having lesbian married pastoresses with gay partners.
How long has your denomination had pastoresses? And what is it's position on homosexual activity and homosexual ministers and marriage?
Short answer: My mother used to say God gave men the priesthood to make up to them that they can’t be mothers.
Longer answer:
A minister preaches, but a priest is “another Christ”: The King, the priest who offers sacrifice for his people, the shepherd who cares for the flock, etc. It is a male “archetype” in pschology and ignoring the reality of gender differences results in distortion of the meaning of these things.
The call for women priests actually has to do with gender confusion in our modern world. The modern world thinks equality means being the same. So women have to become pseudo men to be able to do a man’s work.
The results of this tiny change of denying the deeper biological, sociological and psychological differences between men and women causes a “butterfly” effect, where mothers are disdained, childbearing is frowned upon, marriage is between anyone who wants to “marry” and has nothing to do with sacrifice or raising children, where women abort children who stand in the way of their careers and men desert their pregnant girlfriends because they won’t take responsibility for their offspring...and what is worse, there is no legal or even social disapproval of doing so.
One only has to see the rest of the agenda of those promoting “womanpriests” to see that it isn’t about a woman being a priest, but about changing the church to accept artificial birth control, divorce, unwed parenthood as normal, abortion, forced family limitations under the name of population control (which is what Hillary is pushing on us here in the Philippines), homosexual behavior as normal, premarital sex as normal etc....and eventually, as the population ages and has no one to care for them, they will go on to promote euthanasia for the old and “useless”...
What a strange statement...Everything in scripture is central to scripture...So what, you pick what you like and everything else is negotiable???
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
The one thing that's clear is that women are more susceptible to Satanic deception than men...
Men pastors only...