Posted on 07/26/2011 6:38:10 AM PDT by marshmallow
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Yes.
and perhaps this person really did see heaven and Purgatory and then get sent back to earth?
No. God would choose someone "in the spirit" as John was, not someone under general anesthetic, to receive a vision.
Would you believe it if you read it from a doctor’s pen?
I would believe that the individual had a hallucination or "dream", not a vision from God.
Then read the book I posted.
Nah, I'll stick with the scriptures where I know the truth about heaven is being spoken.
I was fearful that this thread might give rise to a flame war about the existence of Purgatory but Purgatory has not even been mentioned.
Instead, it's turned into a Colloquium of the American Society of Anesthetists, Neurologists and Physiologists on the subject of when death occurs.
Yes.
and perhaps this person really did see heaven and Purgatory and then get sent back to earth?
No. God would choose someone "in the spirit" as John was, not someone under general anesthetic, to receive a vision.
Would you believe it if you read it from a doctor’s pen?
I would believe that the individual had a hallucination or "dream", not a vision from God.
Then read the book I posted.
Nah, I'll stick with the scriptures where I know the truth about heaven is being spoken.
“No. God would choose someone “in the spirit” as John was ...” Telling God how to run His Universe is a bit presumptuous, wouldn’t you say? And now you might help us all by explaining what a dream is, how it is generated by the physical brain, and how a physical brain accomplishes this event when measuring systems show all brainwave activity has been stopped for a medical purpose?
I have had bypass surgery- no recall of any afterlife. Once before I had contacted a possible fatal infection- same as puppeteer Jim Hendrix died from. Doctor told my wife that if I had come to the hospital only a few hours later I would have been dead. I recall quite clearly, being unconscious, of going down a long brightly lit hallway, then making a left turn to another bright hallway until ending up at a very bright corner where someone stopped me and asked if I really wanted to make the left hand turn to the next very bright light. My recall is not clear at this point but for some reason the ‘guide’ said I was not ready to make the turn and I should go back. I next recall being patted on the face by the recovery nurse.
Possibly. Or it actually happened. Guess we’ll all find out.
Same here on a couple of occasions. I believe that in these NDEs, it's just the brain shutting down. How many time when someone THOUGHT they were going to die, they saw their life flash in front of them? (Maybe they were just "uploading" to a bigger CPU.)
I find it interesting that Christians always see Jesus (even children say they saw "baby Jesus"), but Muslims or Buddhists never do - dunno who/what they see, but I think it's just a natural mechanism that gets a religious twist put on it.
Not true. Here's one which was posted on FR a few years ago:
Wow. See what happens when too much spagetti sauce is consumed before a near death experience? :-)
“Possibly. Or it actually happened. Guess we’ll all find out.”
Which is sort of the point....
I'm not telling God how to run His universe. I'm responding based on the character of God as shown in scriptures. But of course you know that. You are just trying to be inflamatory.
And now you might help us all by explaining what a dream is
After you respond to the question I already posted to you. Do you think that people spontaneously die and then just as spontaneously come to life during sleep?
“Not true. Here’s one which was posted on FR a few years ago: “
Sure enough.... I was sort of being rhetorical with that statement, and actually this guy ended up in heaven in his dream, so it ended well for him - he gets to pretend he talked to God, and people believe him.
It’s a variation on the theme.
My rhetorical point was this - people deep down want to believe they are good and worthy of heaven. Surgery is a natural time to consider these things - and the brain obliges some of the time with a dream about going to heaven.
Yes, obviously I need to pad Dr. Long’s bank accounts so I can get his totally unbiased medical opinions in the book he is profiting from, rather than remain skeptical about a story that doesn’t add up.
Nice try at a dodge, but surely even you see that what you just posited as your twisted irony question goes to substantiate my inference to you that the reality of how dreams occur is not understood in science beyond brainwave activity. How do you explain persons who have no brainwave activity during a special surgery then telling of what you characterize as dreams? I undertsand your sedire to dodge the question, but try to make your responses less ofuscatory which then ends up actually amplifying the lack of explanation you give for your own assertions.
There are procedures, like you say, in which all the circulation is stopped, but he didn’t undergo one of those procedures, so as far as this story is concerned, that’s a moot point.
Yeah...
Sure...
Were two personages involved?
But one CAN say that they are possibly misinterpreting what they saw.
The goats say, "HI!"
A Democratic convention, OBVIOUSLY!
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