Posted on 07/15/2011 5:01:33 AM PDT by tcg
Thanks for the confirmation. My classification still stands 100% accurate.
And just for your information, I’m now much more active than I ever was when a member of the Catholic church and certainly not taking the “easy way”.
I see. So being an active member of a social club makes up for leaving the Faith, is that right? 2am, you are fitting right into the stereotypes.
So, now you’ve heard of an “example to the contrary”!!!
To the contrary. You fit right in to the second largest religious group in America.
We cannot depend on the nominal affiliation, but we should be asking how serious the religion is ingrained in the politician. If there is no evidence of religion being taken seriously, then that is a character flaw that to me is worse than having a "wrong" religion. I would much rather have an anti-Catholic Protestant in the old mold than a wishy-washy Kerryesque pseudo-Catholicism.
The Muslim are of course in a category of its own since it is when they do take their religion seriously that we should see them as enemy. However, while I would not want Muslims anywhere near government, again, I respect the sincerity with which many Muslims take their faith.
And that is something I think most if not all Freepers can agree on. I would be quite willing to vote for a conservative pro-life old-school Roman Catholic. (Rick Santorum comes to mind.) I suppose theoretically we might need to ask the question of whether a conservative Roman Catholic places his allegiance to the United States above political commitments to Rome, but that's not a realistic problem in modern politics.
The Revolutionary War was fought not only by committed New England Puritans of the old school and backwoods Scots-Irish Presbyterians, allied with Episcopal planters of the South — the old Calvinist and Anglican leadership of the colonial days — but also by committed Roman Catholics from Maryland who helped persuade the French to support American independence and by Jewish merchants and financiers from New York who had personal ties with Alexander Hamilton and believed a free and independent America would provide a place where Jews could worship freely.
We also need to be honest and admit that the Founding Fathers included men who today would be considered religious liberals at best — men like Franklin and Jefferson, along with people in New England who became Unitarians a generation later and whose theology was already by the 1770s and 1780s seriously deviating from the heritage of New England Puritanism.
We as conservatives are supposed to be Constitutionalists. There are important differences between the Republic envisioned by the Founding Fathers in the 1770s and 1780s and the visions of the colonists for the governments established in the early 1600s. We need to recognize that Roman Catholics have a valid place in the American Republic — a place earned for them by the sacrifices of the heirs of Lord Baltimore who created a Catholic colony in Maryland and then decided to throw their lot with those who sought independence from Britain. The same can be said for the decision by Sephardic Jewish bankers and merchants in New York to cast their lot with American independence.
I have major problems with Roman Catholicism for doctrinal reasons. While I'm a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish people, I obviously believe Jesus is the Messiah. But as a supporter of the Constitution, I can and should support politically and religiously conservative Catholics and Jews who support the Constitution.
If somebody can't understand that, they need to go back and read their American history — and that includes some of the people who are detractors of Michele Bachmann and may be trying to sow discord within the conservative movement.
How dare you accuse my faith of being a "social club"! Catholics like you are the type that helped in my decision. You fit the stereotype of an intolerant Catholic bigot perfectly.
Thank you! There have been posters here who have accused all us Catholics as being not worthy of being called American. These are probably the same folks who say this about Jews..
I accuse no one. You stand accused by your own words.
Catholics like you are the type that helped in my decision.
Have fun.
You fit the stereotype of an intolerant Catholic bigot perfectly.
You're welcome.
Thank you, very well said.
If you hadn't been here since 2001 I'd seriously question whether you were a real poster or something else.
I have a major problem with the Pope kissing the Koran. I'm not advocating burning the Koran, flushing it down the toilet, or anything of that sort, but kissing a book that contains doctrines of demons is not something a Christian religious leader should be doing.
As a side point, I think conservative Roman Catholics need to remember that one problem of believing in a hierarchical church is that you have to support the actions of the head of your hierarchy. I don't know the details of why the Pope kissed the Korean, but actions like this one are exceedingly difficult to defend.
I have every right in the world to object — and object strenuously — to actions of the moderator of the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church. (I actually know of no reason to have no problem with the moderator who just took office a few weeks ago; I'm talking in theoretical terms.) I do, however, have huge problems with many things going on at Erskine College and Seminary and would never recommend that anyone attend that institution. It's a little harder for a conservative Roman Catholic to object to the actions of the Pope and the ecclesiastical bureaucracy of the Vatican.
The current Pope, during his time as Cardinal Ratzinger, did a fairly good job of affirming historic Catholic doctrine. It's quite hard to say that about certain previous Popes.
You're quite welcome. (Same to Annalex.)
I have major problems with Roman Catholic doctrine. That's not the same as saying Roman Catholics can't be good American citizens.
To cite a parallel where there actually **IS** formal endorsement of a religion on a national level, I support Israel for biblical reasons but that's not the same as saying I support everything Orthodox Jewish rabbis say.
If the secular and religious leaders of the state of Israel are willing to welcome the support of evangelical Christians like myself, despite being in a formally and officially Jewish state, it seems very inconsistent for evangelical Christians in a nation like the United States, which has **NOT** formally and officially endorsed any form of Christianity, to argue that Roman Catholics cannot be good Americans.
Make no mistake, I have major problems with Roman Catholicism. But without a formal amendment to the United States Constitution, I have no legal ground to object to people professing doctrinal beliefs with which I disagree — and in the current political climate, just about the last thing I want our federal government doing is establishing a “Bureau of Religious Affairs” to decide what doctrines are acceptable for Americans to believe. We've got enough problems already with government intrusion into things that are none of the government's business without opening up that can of worms.
All churches that came out of the reformation believed the pope was anti Christ..so w should never elect any non Catholic president..
If she felt the same way about Jews people wouldn’t be so quiet. Buts its OK to hate Catholics.
You guys always make stuff up...Nobody hates Catholics...Michelle doesn't hate Catholics...The people at Michelle's former church don't hate Catholics...
You might want to wise up and recognize that Michelle is likely the only one of the bunch who will fight to make sure you keep the right to be a Catholic...
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