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To: Cronos; All

Hey, look, if you want to believe what one ruling elder says about something, go right ahead, I can’t stop you. For anyone else reading this, I’m pretty sure they can figure out one ruling elder doesn’t even deserve a hearing.

And, well, there you have it ladies and gentleman. The Roman Catholic can come up with: Appeals to one elder. Generic appeals to Scripture and “Tradition,” without any proof that what they are saying actually is in Scripture or “Tradition.” Don’t forget the “we’re older than you are” and “we’re more united than you are” canards. As for the latter of those, it appears Boston Roman Catholics are dealing with the same thing we Presbies are: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2746986/posts, and we’ll see if the anathemas are as forthcoming as they were at Trent.


92 posted on 07/12/2011 12:56:34 AM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: RecoveringPaulisto
Note -- it is one ruling elder of a tiny organization, the 10,000 strong, 80-year old OPC organization.

This guy KNOWS the errors in the OPC, far far better than a layperson such as yoursef

93 posted on 07/12/2011 1:09:05 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: RecoveringPaulisto
Can you refute his statements?

From Trinity Lectures Foundation

The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was founded in 1936 by about 135 people who were offended by the lack of discipline in and doctrinal errors of the Presbyterian Church in the USA. .
But early in its history the OPC fell under the influence of an agnostic view of propositional revelation emanating from Westminster Seminary -- a view that said that there is no identity of content between the \"Christian system\" of theology, meaning Reformed confessions of faith, and the \"divine system\" of theology, known only to God.

This agnosticism has now brought the OPC to the point of falling. Like its predecessor, the PCUSA, the OPC has failed to discipline teachers who teach contrary to Scriptures and the Confession of Faith, and it has endorsed un-Biblical teaching about Scripture and the Gospel.
From Trinity Lectures Foundation

Despite the painstaking efforts of many fine Christians within the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC), the leaders of the OPC maintain a suicidal course. Despite the departure of congregations and individuals from the OPC, due to the leaders' collective inability to resolve the current justification controversy Biblically, the OPC leaders continue to advance doctrines that contradict Scripture. The OPC is, in the words of its late historian Charles Dennison, "obviously inept, bumbling, [and] confused."1 That confusion now appears to be fatal.

At this point in its history, the confessional affirmations of the OPC have no more credibility than the confessional affirmations of the PCUSA from 1936 to 1967. One of the commissioners to the 2004 OPC General Assembly made this very point: "There was a time when, if the OPC said it, it was accepted. The 2003 deliverance that accompanied the decision to acquit [John Kinnaird] destroyed forever that our words will not be questioned. The PCUSA always said that the [Westminster] Confession was their confession (even as they were denying it)."

94 posted on 07/12/2011 1:09:40 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: RecoveringPaulisto
The problem is deeper, in fact The OPC says that:

The resurrection of the dead in general, therefore, is primarily a judicial act of God."[13] Stated simply, the resurrection is not the penultimate event prior to the final judgment; the resurrection is the final judgment.

They believe that resurrection is a replacement for Judgement and if you are resurrected, you will not go to hell

There are several articles on the OPC website which affirm the resurrection of the dead, and then speak as if it weren't there or it didn't matter. Of course, it might just be the writers' confusion over just who is going to be resurrected (prejudged to salvation) and who isn't since they believe that the act of resurrection is a substitute for the Judgement of God.

After all if they elieve that the act of resurrection is a substitute for the Judgement of God, then nobody in hell gets Judged in the OPC universe.

And nowhere in Christianity does it state anything about the resurrection of those Judged to Heaven versus the non resurrection of those Judged to hell. in the OPC universe those prejudged to hell do not get resurrected at all.

95 posted on 07/12/2011 1:13:18 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: RecoveringPaulisto
The problem is that you self-declare your own salvation, and the OPC preaches that church members do not get Judged - and they are the only ones who are resurrected which is a substitute for Judgement. As well, the OPC teaches covenant succession, which is the doctrine that church members' children are saved regardless of whether or not they are even Christian.
96 posted on 07/12/2011 1:15:00 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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