Posted on 07/08/2011 7:56:10 PM PDT by topher
Maybe I’m glad I didn’t get in on the fray. There comes a point of hopelessness.
PHQ, Bethel #67
Dad was an Asst. Grand Lecturer for years.
Thank you. :) Good men, you Masons! And trustworthy!
The atheist Masonic regime closed down all the churches in Mexico
I suspect this is a false statement since atheists are not knowingly allowed into Freemasonry...
Though there is hostility towards Roman Catholics by Freemasons in the United Stated
My knowledge and experience in the organization would have to dispute this claim...I know many Catholics who are Masons...They are welcomed into the organization just as well as all denominations...
Man, I am digging your posts.
What lodge are you?
Keith 187
I will state, however, that I understand the Catholic Church's position on Masonry and absolutely believe that to be the Church's perogative. Regular Masonry developed within the context of the British Empire, which was Protestant and somewhat pluralistic due to its global scope. For better or for worse, religious pluralism and the concept of teaching morality outside the Church were not frowned upon as they would have been in Catholic countries. Those aspects of Masonry are in conflict with official Catholic teaching and I can see where the Church would rightly choose to prohibit Catholics from joining on those grounds.
But such things are not intentionally malicious, nor are they intended to lead men away from Christ or towards the devil. I suppose it's mostly just a matter of the character of the institution itself... and no man should become a Mason if doing so might even potentially cause the slightest bit of pain to his conscience. :-)
Union 5 in Connecticut. :) Small, not particularly fancy, but vibrant and home.
I should point out that Catholics are forbidden from joining all secret societies, not just Freemasonry. In general, a Catholic can't swear beforehand to keep secrets from his confessor.
...”Several accounts, more or less differing in detail, and generally remarkable for their want of accuracy, have already been published.1 The most authentic appears to be the one issued at Cork, with the authority of the family, in 1811. Although these different accounts vary considerably in the description of the manner in which Miss St. Leger witnessed the secret ceremonial carried on in the Lodge,
the main fact of her being made a Mason remains undisputed....
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/aldworth.html
A copy of her initiation...
http://www.genealogy.com/users/s/t/l/Rosemary-Stlegermay/PHOTO/0022photo.html
The family blueblood lineage...
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/AnthonyStLeger1.htm
They make their own rules.
Inigo Jones (1573-1652) reorganized the Lodges where he introduced Descartes rationalism. They were now known as the Free and Accepted Masons. Freemason Elias Ashmole, a banker, Rosicrucian, and founder of the Oxford Museum, established the three basic degrees: Entered Apprentice, Fellow-Craft and Master Mason. Note: Descartes had a dream which he interpreted as a revelation - he became convinced that “it was the Spirit of Truth that willed to open for him all the treasures of knowledge” - he considered God as an evil demon and Lucifer the god of light. Up is down and down is up. Freemason Alice Bailey (her mentor H.P. Blavatsky had Margaret Sanger and Hitler as a few of her desciples) wrote specifically to these “Spirit of Truth” fellow masons in her occult writings. The rest of us are ignorant gun-clinging Christian terrorists. I call them what they are which is Luciferians. There are two parallel Freemasons just as some think we have two parallel governments - the UN alledgedly houses the real one. Do you think that Obama really rules the roost and that Geithner and Bernake ruled economics? We’re living in a Descartes world.
:-)
You seem to think that a single unapproved event in the early 1700's reflects the norms of a group you dislike.
You have no first hand knowledge of the subject you hammer. You make all kinds of unsubstantiated accusations about the motive and character of those you criticize and expect everyone to adopt your view. It will not happen.
I could spend equal time describing hideous events that were perpetrated by the Catholic Church leaders and the Monarchies that they were leagued with. But I will not.
It is incredible the lengths you go to in order to stir up the pot.
It is a waste of time to discuss this or any other subject matter with you.
I didn’t bring it up. You asked me the question. I don’t write anything I can’t substantiate.
See the last sentence in #92. I don’t dislike regular Freemasons like you, bannie and all here. You all have great comaradarie, kind and gentle people, help people in need. I laud what you do.
“There is a difference in European Masons and those in the U.S. and England. They do not associate among each other.”
Ummmm...I guess I don’t associate with myself. Does that make me manic, bipolar, or schyzo?
I would qustion myself, but I refuse to associate with the cad.
Should have been more specific.
Grand Orient and AF&AM do not meet together in Lodge.
I am sure there are some personal friendships but formal contact is not allowed.
It was once like that in Mexico, but I think now it is acceptable with some that are recognised.
I regret even commenting on this thread. It serves no purpose when it is so intentionally distorted by those who posted it. I think their reason for existence is to stir the pot.
Sad statement, we have enough problems with the Lefties and do not need the division.
Oh, that’s ok, then. See, I was admitted in Germany in 1985...
For a momment there, I hated myself.
Some funny stuff - in response to an earlier post, I barely resisted from quoting, “Nobody ever expects the Inquisition...”
I gave my oldest son my iniatory coin when he was raised Founding Master Councelor of his Demolay - he has now achieved the Sublime Degree of Master Mason. Also a Chevalier.
He passed that coin to his younger brother, who is now a twice past Master Counselor of the same Demolay. The little rat lost the dang coin, and we tore the house up looking for it. LOL. It has been found. Once in a while, he pulls the coin out of his wallet, just to prove he still has it. That really makes me laugh. Not every “Coin-shape” worn into a 16-yo’s wallet is what you assume it is.
Did I mention that I love my kids? But they still make me laugh.
I am surprised that nobody has pointed out the difference between Jobies and Rainbows on this thread, since it was used to associat the Masons with Lenin in an earlier post.
And to the person that posted that, forgive me - I forget who said it.
For clarity, Jobies are the daughters of Masons. Rainbow Girls are not. Claiming that a Rainbow Girl is a Mason is tantamount to claiming that a navy recruit is an admiral.
I did my work in the summer between my Junior and Senior year in college.
Finished that experience the day Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. (July 21, 1969)
Will be 64 in December.
It is humorous how outsiders absolutely don’t have a clue about a lot of things. But it is also amazing how there is always someone who does have the perspective to see through nonsense.
It is also true here on FR. If you don’t know what you are talking about, it is not long before someone calls you to task.
Caught myself, it was “Buzz” Aldrin who walked on the moon.
Buzz is one of us you know?
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