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To: Godzilla

Oh you clever nut!

When does Noah’s Ark, the Ten Commandment tablets, the Ark of the Covenant, the Cross etc. etc. exhibit open?

Let it go Godzilla... deep breaths.

You are seriously like those with Bush Derangement Syndrome who have now moved on to Palin Derangement Syndrome.


287 posted on 07/01/2011 8:33:14 PM PDT by benhoganfan
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To: benhoganfan
"Oh you clever nut! You are seriously like those with Bush Derangement Syndrome"

Lies Mormons Tell #7 Attack the Person [since you have no facts, evidence or logical argument]

303 posted on 07/01/2011 9:02:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!)
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To: benhoganfan
When does Noah’s Ark, the Ten Commandment tablets, the Ark of the Covenant, the Cross etc. etc. exhibit open?

LOL, I'm not asking for much ben. BOM for most of the 'story' is approximately 600 B.C. to 421 A.D (not including the jaredites) - so lets compare apples to apples ben. According to the bom, the lands were covered from sea to sea and the people were countless were they not? By all common principles of archaeology for the above timeframe, there should be warehouse upon warehouse of artifacts for the bom. Where are they? Countless museums are full of bible artifacts - city upon city are know, peoples, places, events all preserved and confirmed via archaeology. Now please - name just one city here in the americas that has been undisputedly identified as being of mormon origin. Where are the steel swords ben? The evidence of a metallurgically advanced society. These are all young enough (according to the history of the bom) to exist in abundance.

Or perhaps you may be confused as to where to look. You mormon apologists 'claim' that the bom land range from all of the western hemisphere to a tiny postage stamp area in central america. From Baja California, to the Malaysian peninsula to even Africa.

The (mormon) crickets are beginning to chirp loudly ben.

And that isn't even getting into dna, linguistics, anthropology or anachronisms.

May be you have answers now.

Or is the act of derangement believing that a piece of 1800's fiction contains a true story of peoples in some undefined/located area of the world.

Middle Earth of the "Lord of the Rings" is more believable Ben.

306 posted on 07/01/2011 9:06:46 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: benhoganfan; Godzilla

HUGE difference there Benny boy. There is plenty of evidence for the names, places and events in the Bible and NOTHING, not a SINGLE thing has turned up to prove the BoM.

The purpose of Biblical Archeology (if you knew anything about the subject) is to show that there was a material culture that supports the Bible and it does that quite well. No archeologist expects to locate the Ark, probably because most know it was likely destroyed. There is great evidence for the material culture and even for specific people like Kind David, in the Bible.

But again, NOT A SINGLE THING to support even the idea of a Nephite or Lamanite material culture. So there again, you fail.

Godzilla is well verse in Mormonism and isn’t deranged at all. He knows Mormonism better than many LDS as you have so easily proven.


343 posted on 07/01/2011 9:51:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: benhoganfan
Oh you clever nut!


 
MORMON
Chapter 6

The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battles—Mormon hides the sacred records in the hill Cumorah—The Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyed—Hundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. About A.D. 385.

1 And now I finish my record concerning the destruction of my people, the Nephites. And it came to pass that we did march forth before the Lamanites.

2 And I, Mormon, wrote an epistle unto the king of the Lamanites, and desired of him that he would grant unto us that we might gather together our people unto the land of Cumorah, by a hill which was called Cumorah, and there we could give them battle.

3 And it came to pass that the king of the Lamanites did grant unto me the thing which I desired. 

4 And it came to pass that we did march forth to the land of Cumorah, and we did pitch our tents around about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains; and here we had hope to gain advantage over the Lamanites.

5 And *when three hundred and eighty and four years had passed away, we had gathered in all the remainder of our people unto the land of Cumorah.

6 And it came to pass that when we had gathered in all our people in one to the land of Cumorah, behold I, Mormon, began to be old; and knowing it to be the last struggle of my people, and having been commanded of the Lord that I should not suffer the records which had been handed down by our fathers, which were sacred, to fall into the hands of the Lamanites, (for the Lamanites would destroy them) therefore I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.

7 And it came to pass that my people, with their wives and their children, did now behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.

8 And it came to pass that they came to battle against us, and every soul was filled with terror because of the greatness of their numbers.

9 And it came to pass that they did fall upon my people with the sword, and with the bow, and with the arrow, and with the ax, and with all manner of weapons of war.

10 And it came to pass that my men were hewn down, yea, even my ten thousand who were with me, and I fell wounded in the midst; and they passed by me that they did not put an end to my life.

11And when they had gone through and hewn down all my people save it were twenty and four of us, (among whom was my son Moroni) and we having survived the dead of our people, did behold on the morrow, when the Lamanites had returned unto their camps, from the top of the hill Cumorah, the ten thousand of my people who were hewn down, being led in the front by me.

12 And we also beheld the ten thousand of my people who were led by my son Moroni.

13 And behold, the ten thousand of Gidgiddonah had fallen, and he also in the midst.

14 And Lamah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Gilgal had fallen with his ten thousand; and Limhah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Jeneum had fallen with his ten thousand; and Cumenihah, and Moronihah, and Antionum, and Shiblom, and Shem, and Josh, had fallen with their ten thousand each.

15 And it came to pass that there were ten more who did fall by the sword, with their ten thousand each; yea, even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had deserted over unto the Lamanites, had fallen; and their flesh, and bones, and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.

16 And my soul was rent with anguish, because of the slain of my people, and I cried:

17 O ye fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! O ye fair ones, how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!

18 Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are fallen, and I mourn your loss.

19 O ye fair sons and daughters, ye fathers and mothers, ye husbands and wives, ye fair ones, how is it that ye could have fallen!

20 But behold, ye are gone, and my sorrows cannot bring your return.

21 And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.

22 O that ye had repented before this great destruction had come upon you. But behold, ye are gone, and the Father, yea, the Eternal Father of heaven, knoweth your state; and he doeth with you according to his justice and mercy.


 
 
Mormon 8:2
And now it came to pass that after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, behold, the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, until they were all destroyed.


413 posted on 07/02/2011 5:37:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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