So it seems.
Posted on 06/30/2011 1:10:26 AM PDT by Cronos
New York’s state’s Catholic bishops continue to blast the state’s passage of homosexual marriage this week, with one bishop calling on Catholic schools and other institutions to shun lawmakers in protest of the vote.
In an op-ed Sunday in the New York Daily News, Nicholas DiMarzio, bishop of Brooklyn, called on members of his diocese to “not to bestow or accept honors, nor to extend a platform of any kind to any state elected official, in all our parishes and churches for the foreseeable future,” a statement that may signal a new era in church-state relations in the Empire State.
Catholic bishops have previously fought high-profile battles with public officials who endorse policy positions contrary to official church teaching. The previous battleground was mostly limited to debates over the right to life, which is seen within Catholicism as a primary, inviolable value. (Catholics, the church teaches, may not vote for pro-choice politicians except for ‘grave reasons.’) But it is new that church leaders such as DiMarzio would include legislation on gay rights as sufficient cause to ostracize politicians.
Magnificent, Matchett-PI!
How I do admire Dr. Robert Godwin, a/k/a "Gagdad Bob."
Thank you so much for this treasure from him!
Personally, I never saw it as such. But then, what do I know: I'm not a lawyer....
What bothers me is that I can't help but feel that justice was not served in this case, not for Caylee, nor for Casey.
The jurors were so "'down in the weeds" of the legal aspects of an overweening prosecutorial case, and evidently so flummoxed by conflicting scientific experts, that they just didn't see the big picture, which necessarily involves the ends of justice.
However, I am confident that justice will be served in the end....
Or so it seems to me, FWIW.
Thanks so much for writing, dear brother in Christ!
INDEED
THX FOR THE PING
So it seems.
Very true! Good stuff!Thank you for posting this ,dear friend
You might like the following from Saint Aquinas...
That all Things are ordained to one End, which is God
The sovereign good, which is God, is the cause of goodness in all good things. He is therefore also the cause of every end being an end, since whatever is an end is such inasmuch as it is good. But that whereby another thing has an attribute, has more of that attribute itself.* Therefore God above all things is the end of all.
4. In every series of ends the last end must be the end of all the ends preceding. But we find all things arranged in various grades of goodness under our sovereign good, which is the cause of all goodness; and thereby, since good bears the character of an end, all things are ordered under God as ends preceding under their last end.
5. Private good is subordinated to the end of the common good: for the being of a part is for the sake of the being of the whole: hence the good of the race is more godlike than the good of the individual man. But the sovereign good, which is God, is the common good, since the good of the whole community depends on Him: while the goodness which marks any given thing is its own private good, and also the good of other things which depend upon it. All things therefore are subordinate to the end of one good, which is God.
7. The last end of every producer, in so far as he is a producer, is himself: for the things produced by us we use for ourselves; and if ever a man makes anything for another man, that is referred to his own good, -- his utility, his pleasure, or his honour. But God is the productive cause of all things, either immediately or mediately. And therefore He is the end of all.
Hence it is said: God hath wrought all things for himself (Prov. xvi, 4): and, I am alpha and omega, the first and the last (Apoc. xxii, 13).
Explain what you mean by Social justice?
Regardless of error being preached by any priest,lay person etc.. The reason a Catholic goes to liturgy is centered around our Eucharistic Lord-Who is the source of life itself in The most Blessed Sacrament
NO error by an individual should EVER lead an educated Catholic NOT to attend Mass and lead them away from Eucharist. This error is worse than the error of any Priest,lay person or other!
If anything, you should approach the person in error and show them what the Church teaching is,dear sister!
Let's not forget that it was escaping from the tyranny of forced state religion that compelled those who founded the new settlements in the first place. To state that somehow God did not “divinely” establish this nation - because it was not a Roman Catholic country - is jawdroppingly ignorant. How can men be truly free if they are forced to bow to any religion? It MUST be a free choice if it is to be a deeply held faith. And only deeply held faith governs the true thoughts and intents of the heart and, without this moral constraint, no laws will work anyway!
“America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
Am I supposed to accuse, and then to instruct, a priest of error, and he's gonna listen to me?
The Church can do this with respect to its own; but I cannot. I have no standing to, for example, (1), visit the "lavender seminaries" to purge them of unqualified-for-the-priesthood homosexuals, who refuse to be bound by the duty of chastity, and thus make a mockery of their priestly vows; (2) I cannot fire the editor of the preeminent Jesuit journal, America, because he's a flaming Marxist; (3) I cannot expose or punish in any effective way child abuse by some clergy....
Though I am glad to note the Church itself, from Rome, is doing such things, for the most part over the kicking and screaming of the American Church....
You want to know what "Social Justice" is?
It is the very successful Marxist subversion of the Magisterium of the Church, the solvent that destroys the deposit of the Christian faith....
It does this by "politicizing" religion.
I just can't stand it. I don't go to church to learn more about contentious political ideologies. I go to church to be with God, and to be strengthened in His Law of Love and Salvation.
In a nutshell, it is my belief that "Social Justice" ideology — a/k/a/ Liberation Theology — is dedicated to the destruction of the Son of God — the Logos Alpha to Omega.
"Social Justice" ideology deals with "groups." Christ deals with individual human souls....
There is no correspondence whatsoever between the arrogant, man-made "Social Justice," and the divine Justice that is eternally the Lord's....
Anyhoot, just some thoughts, for what they're worth (if anything)....
JMHO FWIW. Thank you for writing, dear brother in Christ!
Oh, so beautifully said, dear boatbums!
I couldn't agree with you more....
Thank you ever so much for your splendid insights, dear sister in Christ!
I agree with you BB. I just listened to one of the alternate jurors, and he seemed to have his head on pretty straight. I have to agree with him: it could have been a tragic accident for all we know.
For example, you don’t send someone to their death when it’s possible the mom left the child in a car seat and the baby died of heat. Also, that particular scenario would explain a mom hiding the girl’s absence for a long period of time. The parents I’ve seen on the news who did such things have been brutalized in public. One was on trial in our area not long ago.
Just because there was a death does not mean it was capital murder.
I agree with you BB. I just listened to one of the alternate jurors, and he seemed to have his head on pretty straight. I have to agree with him: it could have been a tragic accident for all we know.
For example, you don’t send someone to their death when it’s possible the mom left the child in a car seat and the baby died of heat. Also, that particular scenario would explain a mom hiding the girl’s absence for a long period of time. The parents I’ve seen on the news who did such things have been brutalized in public. One was on trial in our area not long ago.
Just because there was a death does not mean it was capital murder.
If you physically witness he is in error and not following Church teaching and you're aware of it and say nothing than you become responsible for allowing the error.I heard many protestants tell me they drive their ministers out of their churches quite often because they don't like the theology
I have sent emails to priests before with links to church teaching to back it up when I saw error. I am not sure if some of them changed,but I did the right thing,even though it's difficult
You want to know what "Social Justice" is?
I was interested in what you call Social Justice because there seems to be many versions of it depending on certain political agenda;s,even certain faiths.
It is the very successful Marxist subversion of the Magisterium of the Church
I would like for you to explain how the marxist can change or add any new dogmatic teaching. Impossible!Therefore there is no marxist success because it can not change faith and morals-marxism can only mislead the ignorant and weak in faith
I go to church to be with God, and to be strengthened in His Law of Love and Salvation. Than you would want The Blessed Sacrament Of the Eucharist if you are Catholic and if you are not back in full union with the Church yet- you would still be at Mass in Adoration of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament regardless of the error of a Priest or not.
Peter Cardinal Turkson, President of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, has a message for Catholics in America, particularly those involved in social justice ministry, that could put a damper on the political machinations of the Shadow Party.
The message? “Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.” This clarification may very well be the catalyst to set the Catholic Church in America back on course with authentic Catholic teaching on hot-button issues involving massive government entitlement programs and other forms of overreach. If nothing else, it will almost certainly jump-start the “social justice” debate among Catholics. Cardinal Turkson, you see, is scheduled to deliver the plenary address at the 2011 Catholic Social Ministry Gathering in February.It would be useful if we just observed our sense of justice as our ability to fulfill the demands of the relationships in which we stand.Whether he intended to or not, Cardinal Turkson has now echoed what many conservative Catholics in America have been calling for repeatedly — subsidiarity in economic policy. More importantly, the Cardinal observes the heart of the matter in noting that a ‘handout’ and a ‘gift’ are not at all the same, with the latter being more in keeping with the Gospel message.
This is in contrast to socialism, he explained, which is an ideology in which private property and private interests are totally placed in the service of government policies. What the Pope proposes in ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ said Cardinal Turkson, is ‘achieving the common good without sacrificing personal, private interests, aspirations and desires.’
Cardinal Turkson said the Council was also surprised that the Pope’s concept of the ‘gift,’ was perceived in some circles as encouraging government welfare handouts. In ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ Pope Benedict described the concept of “gift” as a way to understand God’s love for men and women in his gift of life and his gift of Jesus.
One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.You may remember that Pope John Paul II worked closely with President Ronald Reagan and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to bring down communism in the Soviet Union and Marxist governments in Latin America. With the worldwide Left now in such kinship with Islam, and with no modern-day Reagan or Thatcher in sight, Pope Benedict XVI certainly has his work cut out for him. If they recognize that America has become polarized, perhaps America’s Catholic bishops will bite the bullet and commit themselves to following in the footsteps of the just-beatified Pope John Paul II…to morally undermine the Left as he morally undermined the Soviet Union.
firstly, remember that the Church is not about sola scriptura and some priest's intrepretation
secondly, you're not instructing him on this, but just reminding him about what social justice is (see above)
BB””To state that somehow God did not “divinely” establish this nation - because it was not a Roman Catholic country - is jawdroppingly ignorant.””
To say the DOI and The Constitution are completely Divine documents on par with Scripture and the Church is ignorant
If you read some of my posts you would have understood that I said there were many idea’s in the founding of this country that were borrowed from Catholic teaching whether certain FF’s realized it or not because it was impossible for them to escape Catholic thought completely and still be a Christian. So, there is certain things in our foundation that are Divinely inspired and placed there by God ,but there are certain things that come out of enlightenment and reformation thinking that is destructive because freedom was not morally defined and becomes a license to do whatever one pleases.
So, I would not say the DOI and Constitution are Completely Divine documents,there are only elements that are there
A good example of something flawed because morality is not defined enough is Freedom of the press
Pope Leo XIII saw the dangers and turns out he was exactly right....
From IMMORTALE DEI
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_01111885_immortale-dei_en.html
So, too, the liberty of thinking, and of publishing, whatsoever each one likes, without any hindrance, is not in itself an advantage over which society can wisely rejoice. On the contrary, it is the fountain-head and origin of many evils. Liberty is a power perfecting man, and hence should have truth and goodness for its object. But the character of goodness and truth cannot be changed at option. These remain ever one and the same, and are no less unchangeable than nature itself. If the mind assents to false opinions, and the will chooses and follows after what is wrong, neither can attain its native fullness, but both must fall from their native dignity into an abyss of corruption. Whatever, therefore, is opposed to virtue and truth may not rightly be brought temptingly before the eye of man, much less sanctioned by the favor and protection of the law. A well-spent life is the only way to heaven, whither all are bound, and on this account the State is acting against the laws and dictates of nature whenever it permits the license of opinion and of action to lead minds astray from truth and souls away from the practice of virtue. To exclude the Church, founded by God Himself, from life, from laws, from the education of youth, from domestic society is a grave and fatal error.
I agree, and find me one person who has ever said they were.
If you read some of my posts you would have understood that I said there were many idea’s in the founding of this country that were borrowed from Catholic teaching whether certain FF’s realized it or not because it was impossible for them to escape Catholic thought completely and still be a Christian. So, there is certain things in our foundation that are Divinely inspired and placed there by God ,but there are certain things that come out of enlightenment and reformation thinking that is destructive because freedom was not morally defined and becomes a license to do whatever one pleases.
I read ALL the posts on threads I comment upon. Doubtless, you could say "some" of the ideas in the founding of this country were "borrowed" from Catholic teaching, but that is only because the specific teachings were Scripturally based. Where Catholicism is faithful to the Scriptures, they are also correct. If you had read my post, you would have understood that my comment was directed towards Betty Boop's response to yours about the Pope's attitude towards the liberty of the American ideal. That somehow it's "new" liberty was not a blessing from God.
No one claims God "inspired" the founding documents like he did the Holy Scriptures, but if you think that somehow the very basis of the founding of this country, which was a completely new declaration of independence from tyranny - including religious tyranny, was not blessed by Almighty God, then you have not studied much of this country's early years. They stood for freedom and the concept that men deserved to have a say in the way in which their country was operated. They had the right to choose their religious faith and to self-determination. The right to keep what they earned and to have a say in how the taxes they paid would be spent. Forced servitude, forced religion, forced loyalty - can NEVER create a truly strong work force, a deep, heartfelt faith or an abiding, strident patriotism. No, God did not inspire those documents but I am positive it was his spirit within the hearts of the brave men and women that gave their riches, their blood and their very lives so that we have the freedoms we do today.
To denigrate the founding of this country because freedom was not "morally" defined, ignores that the ten commandments were the guidelines for our laws as well as most other countries, to an extant. There were already laws in place in this country that were "natural" laws such as those against stealing and murder and false witness. As Betty Boop said, the Constitution was a document that placed limits upon the federal government and it allowed individual states the freedom to enact their own laws that were consistent with societal norms. Granted, society today has veered far from the statutes of God, but I don't see how that can be blamed on the founding of this country. Even the laws we have today are not enough to constrain those whose hearts are evil. And only until Christ rules and reigns upon this earth will we truly have a world wherein righteousness dwells. America is still the best country in the entire world and I AM blessed and would choose to live nowhere else.
Meant to ping you to post 99, too.
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