Posted on 06/21/2011 7:24:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
The nation’s Roman Catholic bishops on Thursday resisted calls for major changes in their child sex abuse policy despite recent cases involving priests in Kansas City and Philadelphia.
Critics say those cases raise questions about whether some bishops are even following the policy, which was crafted nine years ago to address the sex abuse crisis that was rocking the church.
The critics reacted swiftly after Thursday’s 187-5 vote, which approved a few revisions, including listing child pornography as a violation of church law.
“We are dismayed that the new policy is almost identical to the current policy, despite horrifying recent evidence in Kansas City and Philadelphia that the church’s current policies are dangerously lenient and full of loopholes,” said Terence McKiernan, president of BishopAccountability.org, a group that operates an online database of accused priests.
“The policy needs to be overhauled. This is a squandered opportunity and a disaster for children, not only in the United States but worldwide,” he said.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/06/16/2955810/catholic-bishops-resist-calls.html#ixzz1PxzrhOa3
(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...
That is a a laughable and ignorant PR line put out by Rome to convince the world everyone is as tawdry as they are.
And they're not.
Bingo.
Well, that’s been the papist way of handling things in the past.
Of this, I am sure, as well. But where people mess up is in thinking an organization is "The Church". The real church of Christ is all true, born again believers in Jesus Christ as Savior - throughout all time. THAT is the church. And this church will absolutely NOT ever be defeated because they are empowered by an indwelling Holy Spirit of God and the gates of Hell have already been prevailed against by the cross of Christ.
Rome has provided “compassionate policy” for pederast priests for centuries.
Rome needs to submit itself to legal authorities like the rest of us. When pedophilia is suspected, turn the pervert over to the police. Don’t hide him in another unsuspecting parish. Don’t promote him to deflect any sense of guilt.
Priests are not “another Christ.” They are simply fallen sinners like the rest of us who need to act like human beings and not wolves in sheep’s clothing.
AMEN!
I doubt seriously whether the reporter bothered reading the norms.
http://www.usccb.org/ocyp/charter.pdf
Critics amount to Bishop Accountability. What they want is for the policy to violate the civil rights of persons accused of child abuse no matter how tenuous those accusations are.
“McKiernan said he wanted the bishops to make several changes to the charter, such as requiring allegations to be immediately reported to police, promptly removing priests from duties if they’re accused of abuse, and requiring all dioceses to post detailed lists of accused priests on their websites.”
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/06/16/2955810/catholic-bishops-resist-calls.html#ixzz1PygCw2wH
The charter already requires that
“ARTICLE 4. Dioceses/eparchies are to report an allegation of sexual abuse of a person who is a minor to the public authorities. Dioceses/eparchies are to comply with all applicable civil laws with respect to the reporting of allegations of sexual abuse of minors to civil authorities and cooperate in their investigation in accord with the law of the jurisdiction in question.
Dioceses/eparchies are to cooperate with public authorities about reporting cases even when the person is no longer a minor.
In every instance, dioceses/eparchies are to advise victims of their right to make a report to public authorities and support this right.”
I know some of the posters here have trouble with the concept of due process when it comes to Canon law. Just as in civil law the accused has the right of presumption of innocence. Though that does not preclude a Bishop from removing the accused from public ministry if the accusations are found to be credible. Just as a Dr might have his license temporarily suspended by the medical board pending the outcome of a full investigation and civil/criminal trial.
The policy does work. If people decide not to follow it that speaks no more for the validity of the policy than the fact people commit crimes speak for the validity of laws forbidding those crimes.
That would violate EPA regs.
Actually that is not a bad idea for all Christians to follow especially if they do not approve of how their church is using funds.
You keep posting misinformation after being corrected time after time. Why is this?
Do you agree with this policy?
“A presbytery has original jurisdiction in disciplinary cases involving ministers of Word and Sacrament. A presbytery may dissolve a pastoral relationship when the “Word imperatively demands it” (G-11.0103o). However, a presbytery may only place a minister on administrative
leave when allegations of child abuse have been received and the presbytery has followed the Book of Order procedures to conduct its risk evaluation to determine whether or not a minister member accused of child abuse should be placed on administrative leave (D-10.0106). It is recommended that the permanent judicial commission (PJC) members who will conduct this risk evaluation based upon the allegations and a hearing should also take into account secular legal advice.”
And yet the OPC your cult is silent on all the pederasts it has? Well, it’s easier for a cult of 10,000 adults and pederasts to keep things hush-hush...
Your cult says that Methodists and Pentecostalist and in fact all Arminiams like Baptists etc. are damnable heretics going to hell
This of course is besides it's blatant anti-semitism and hatred of every Christian group -- down to calling Rev. Billy Graham a pawn of satan
Secondly, your cult of 10,000 adults and paedophiles covers up the number of cases it generates pretty well, just like every such tiny cult does.
Just because your cult molests its young like the the Branch Davidians and doesn't want the world to know, that's why the continuous diatribe against others.
| The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was founded in 1936 by about 135 people who were offended by the lack of discipline in and doctrinal errors of the Presbyterian Church in the USA. . But early in its history the OPC fell under the influence of an agnostic view of propositional revelation emanating from Westminster Seminary -- a view that said that there is no identity of content between the \"Christian system\" of theology, meaning Reformed confessions of faith, and the \"divine system\" of theology, known only to God. This agnosticism has now brought the OPC to the point of falling. Like its predecessor, the PCUSA, the OPC has failed to discipline teachers who teach contrary to Scriptures and the Confession of Faith, and it has endorsed un-Biblical teaching about Scripture and the Gospel. |
| Despite the painstaking efforts of many fine Christians within the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC), the leaders of the OPC maintain a suicidal course. Despite the departure of congregations and individuals from the OPC, due to the leaders' collective inability to resolve the current justification controversy Biblically, the OPC leaders continue to advance doctrines that contradict Scripture. The OPC is, in the words of its late historian Charles Dennison, "obviously inept, bumbling, [and] confused."1 That confusion now appears to be fatal. At this point in its history, the confessional affirmations of the OPC have no more credibility than the confessional affirmations of the PCUSA from 1936 to 1967. One of the commissioners to the 2004 OPC General Assembly made this very point: "There was a time when, if the OPC said it, it was accepted. The 2003 deliverance that accompanied the decision to acquit [John Kinnaird] destroyed forever that our words will not be questioned. The PCUSA always said that the [Westminster] Confession was their confession (even as they were denying it)." |
It's appalling how your cult, the OPC hates Billy Graham, calls Pentecostals and Methodists as damned heretics, hates Jews, Lutherans, Baptists etc. and still pretends to be Protestant
Your post should be honest and state that your cult is a rabidly anti-Semitic group that has lately been trying to promote it's anti-Israeli message on FR with posts like:
What is disgusting is that this group (the OPC) pretends to be Christian while spouting it's hatred for Jews and Christians alike
Does your Church have any guidelines or policies in place on this subject?
P.S. If you think the Catholic Church is over-lenient, take a look whats happening to Father Corapi.
Ouch......
Perhaps you missed lastchance’s reply to that post:
“Actually that is not a bad idea for all Christians to follow especially if they do not approve of how their church is using funds.”
#30, FYI.
In every parish where I’ve been a member, contributions are separated by their purpose. We contribute regularly for parish business, separately for building funds, Peter’s Pence, priests’ retirement, diocesan newspaper, diocesan fund, etc. It’s a good system.
What does your church do?
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