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To: from occupied ga
really? an indulgence is the full or partial remission of temporal punishment due for sins which have already been forgiven granted after the sinner has confessed and received absolution

Remember that "in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions" (Catholic Encyclopedia). In any case, one could never technically sell or buy indulgences -- the abuse in the 1400s was about you give alms to one group and you get an indulgence. But now even that is shut down.

Ergo, you cannot sell indulgences.

16 posted on 06/20/2011 7:39:16 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos
Remember that "in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions

Can't say that I do - before my time.

The false doctrine and scandalous conduct of the "pardoners" were an immediate occasion of the Protestant Reformation.[4] In 1517, Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who gave alms to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. The aggressive marketing practices of Johann Tetzel in promoting this cause provoked Martin Luther to write his Ninety-Five Theses, condemning what he saw as the purchase and sale of salvation. In Thesis 28 Luther objected to a saying attributed to Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs".[40] The Ninety-Five Theses not only denounced such transactions as worldly but denied the Pope's right to grant pardons on God's behalf in the first place: the only thing indulgences guaranteed, Luther said, was an increase in profit and greed, because the pardon of the Church was in God's power alone.[41]

This oft-quoted saying was by no means representative of the official Catholic teaching on indulgences, but rather, more a reflection of Tetzel’s capacity to exaggerate

While possibly offically condemned, it would appear that the practice was widespread into the 16th century.

You don't get humor do you?

21 posted on 06/20/2011 8:02:22 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Cronos
an indulgence is the full or partial remission of temporal punishment due for sins which have already been forgiven granted after the sinner has confessed and received absolution

I dont understand. If I have confessed my sins, received absolution, am attempting to 'go and sin no more',(...These are signs that I believe that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb for my sins, and there is no condemnation for those who believe....)Why would I even be worried about temporal punishment? (Other than letting the judgement of other earthly beings effect my vision of my salvation.)

I am not baiting you. Its an honest question.

32 posted on 06/20/2011 9:40:20 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Make your choice ! There are NO civilians.)
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To: Cronos

It was that selling of indulgences is why there was a “Protestant revolt” which the results are still with us to this very day.


48 posted on 06/21/2011 3:44:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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