Posted on 06/14/2011 5:05:57 PM PDT by TaraP
It's been 1500 years since there has been a rabbinically approved sacrifice to take place in Israel and the rabbis did approve a Gentile who trained under the leadership of selected rabbis to perform the sacrifice of two turtledoves recently in Israel. The ceremony took place in the Jordan Valley near Jericho as a number of rabbis watched to make certain all Levitical laws were kept in the offering of these two doves.
There are a number of religious Jews that have been preparing for the building of the temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem who believe that Jews need to become accustomed once again to the offering of animals for the sacrifices called for when the temple is once again standing in Jerusalem.
A rabbinically approved sacrifice being performed in Israel is tangible evidence that Bible prophecy will be fulfilled. Since the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70AD there has not been an opportunity for Jews to offer any of the required sacrifices called for under Levitical law.
Over the last 2000 years there have been several occasions in different parts of the world where rabbis would approve the offering of animals in sacrifice but nothing compared to the days when the temple was standing in Jerusalem.
Recently a Gentile, one trained by a number of rabbis, performed a sacrifice of two turtledoves in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea, the first rabbinically approved sacrifice in 1500 years.
This is a part of a program to prepare the Jewish people for the restoration of the sacrificial system that is called for in the first 7 chapters in the book of Leviticus. Daniel 9:27 reveals that the sacrificial system will be restored when there is a temple in Jerusalem. Even the Messiah's temple described in Ezekiel 40-46 calls for sacrifices to be restored as a part of daily Jewish life.
There will be two temples in the future for the Jewish people, one in the Tribulation period and then another in the time of the Millennial Kingdom of the future. In both of these temples, sacrifices will be made. In fact for the next temple all preparations have been made and its ready to be built in Jerusalem even right now.
A sacrifice made in Israel recently is indeed evidence that Bible prophecy will be fulfilled.
Thanks for your kind words and good points.
"See that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit...."
Your assumptions are showing again.
well, your such a lightning rod I am afraid you will melt with all those strikes.
Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urOXD9rCsko
Thankfully, no.
However, I’ve been shredded, ground to powder and blown to the four winds out of the midst of so many fiery furnaces and long dark nights of the soul . . . such strikes might have seemed anticlimactic.
LOL.
We have repeatedly demonstrated hereon that those assertions are thoroughly false.
1. The Dispensationalist view has been traced back to the early church. Darby was a Johnny come lately to the party as we have repeatedly documented. Please keep up.
care to back this claim up with specifics?
WRONG AGAIN.
However, I will defer to my betters such as Giovanna Nicoletta to offer docs on the topic.
I seem to have misplaced my easy link.
i eagerly await GN and her proof to back your claim.
In the early church the prevailing thought was that the second coming was imminent and coupled with the roman persecution of Christians, some of the early church fathers wrote in reference to the persecution and to the expected imminent coming. This belief in an imminent coming lasted for centuries and that is how these purveyors of this mumbo jumbo can entice one with quotes which appear to support their testimony of historical acceptance of the dispensationalist view .
Again, near the year 1000, the world was expected to end and so many wrote of trials and tribulations, making it appear the there was a belief in a historical dispensationalist view.
In the middle ages the Black Death elicited works on the end times and what was written about trials and tribulation is again distorted to make it appear as historical support for dispensationalist view.
The solicitors of this sordid nonsense want their deed and thoughts hidden as to deceive you into thinking their precious money making scheme was always present.
Unfortunately for them Harold Camping let the cat out of the bag and now they face the daunting task of attempting to resurrect this crazy pre rap trib.They desperately attempt to distance themselves from Camping but the dye is cast.
While a few of these belivers have honorable intentions, the closest most have been to pre rap trib is when they listen to RAP music on MTV with the MTV Brain Dead crowd.
Carefully read their substantiation and you can see it is predicated on their own interpretation. Get an objective history of this craziness and read for yourself before accepting any of their garbage.
handing them rope, my friend.
Dream on.
Thanks for the ping!
Setting the Record Straight on Rapture [Disproving Darby nonsense]
http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/Inspire/Rapture.Darby.html
| 19 NOV 2009 | Holly Deyo
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:07:24 PM by Quix
Setting the Record Straight on Rapture
By Holly Deyo
The purpose of the following material is not to debate the existence of Rapture or when that event would occur, as it is to establish that this is a doctrine of long-standing. A well-circulated notion says that John Darby was the first to begin teaching Rapture in 1828. This may be an effort to discredit Rapture, to remove people's hope and dispirit them, or it may be perpetuated through ignorance. Whatever is the case, it is simply incorrect.
Consider that while the word "rapture" was not used until Jerome in 400 AD with the Latin word rapimur, the Dead Sea Scroll concept of Rapture pre-dates the birth of Christ!
As frequently seen with things posted on the Internet, people grab a thought and run with it without performing due diligence. It is our hope that the following documentation will put the Darby rumor to rest.
Continued at the link on FR and at the Deyo's site
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And, some misc. assorted on the matter . . .
From:
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/dispen/dispensa.htm
"I think we do not attach sufficient importance to the restoration of the Jews. We do not think enough of it. But certainly, if there is anything promised in the Bible it is this. I imagine that you cannot read the Bible without seeing clearly that there is to be an actual restoration of the children of Israel...May that happy day soon come!"
--Charles Spurgeon (1834-1892)
[C. H. Spurgeon, The C. H. Spurgeon Collection, Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, I, no. 28, 1855 (Albany, Oregon: Ages Software, 1998), 382.]
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition" -- Sir Isaac Newton (1643-1727)
http://www.endtimes.org/dispens.html
The History of Dispensationalism
While the opponents of Dispensationalism will point out that as a system of theology it is relatively new, it is notable that there is evidence from the early church writers that there was clearly an understanding that God dealt with His people differently in progressive dispensations, and that Israel wasn't seen as replaced by the Church. A small reference to some of these writings is found in 'The Moody Handbook of Theology" by Paul Ennis. He mentions the following Christians as being in the history of the development of Dispensationalism.
Of the above Ryrie says "It is not suggested nor should it be inferred that these early Church Fathers were dispensationalists in the modern sense of the word. But it is true that some of them enunciated principles which later developed into Dispensationalism, and it may be rightly said that they held primitive or early dispensational concepts." With this understanding, the following have written in support of some or all dispensational principles.
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/AShortHistoryOfDispensationalism.html
A Short History Of Dispensationalism by Thomas Ice
It is doubtful if there has been any other circle of men [dispensationalists] who have done more by their influence in preaching, teaching and writing to promote a love for Bible study, a hunger for the deeper Christian life, a passion for evangelism and zeal for missions in the history of American Christianity.
- Dispensationalist Critic, George E. Ladd
The first systematic expression of dispensationalism was formulated by J. N. Darby sometime during the late 1820s and 1830s in the British Isles. I believe that Darby' s development was the culmination of various influences which produced within his thought one of the most literal approaches to Bible interpretation in history and a theology which distinguishes God' s plan for Israel from God' s plan for the church. The most well known feature of dispensational theology is the much-debated pretribulational rapture doctrine.
ELEMENTS OF DISPENSATIONALISM
No single element of dispensational thought can be said to be the unique domain of dispensationalism alone. It is true that some hold to the Pre-Trib position that do not want to be called dispensationalists, but it is equally true that it was dispensational thought which provided the theological rationale for the Pre-Trib viewpoint. Even the important " Israel- church" distinction has been held by non-dispensationalists like Nathaniel West and George Peters. Dispensationalists are not just characterized by the elements of their theology, but also, their arrangement in relationship to one another.
In order to be a dispensationalist, one has to hold to a literal approach of interpreting the Bible. When compared to other interpretative approaches, dispensationalists take the text more literally. For example, belief in literal days and years in Genesis as well as literal days, months, and years in Revelation are maintained. This means that we see Bible prophecy from a futurist, as opposed to an idealist, preterist, or historicist perspective. A dispensationalist holds to the above mentioned " Israel- church" distinction as well as the Pre-Trib rapture. This means that current church-age believers are of the spiritual seed of Abraham, but are not spiritual Israel. Dispensationalists believe that God has a distinctive plan for ethnic and national Israel that includes their spiritual restoration and conversion, as well as a specific geographic destiny. On the other hand, the church began on the day of Pentecost and will end with the rapture. Her mission is to preach the gospel, disciple, and nurture believers, and to separate from evil by living a holy life in this current dark age. While the church age will be characterized by worldwide growth, at the same time the age ends in doctrinal and moral ruin and apostasy. Based on their literal interpretation of Scripture, dispensationalists believe that God has administered history in successive stages, during each of which man is tested, fails, and suffers judgment. This linear progress of history began in innocence, continued with man' s fall, was punctuated by the cross of Christ, and moves toward the second coming and the millennium.
DEVELOPING DISPENSATIONALISM
Although Darby was the first to systematize dispensationalism, I believe that rudimentary features can be found prior to the nineteenth century, especially in the early church and the three hundred years prior to Darby. Opponents often debate a pre-Darby heritage, but I think the evidence does support our claim that there are historical and theological antecedents to the modern system.
The Early Church
Crude, but clear, schemes of ages and dispensations are found in ante-Nicene fathers such as Justin Martyr (110-165), Irenaeus (130-200), Tertullian (c. 160-220), Methodius (d. 311), and Victorinus of Petau (d. 304). Dispensationalist, Larry Crutchfield concluded that,
Regardless of the number of economies to which the Fathers held, the fact remains that they set forth what can only be considered a doctrine of ages and dispensations which foreshadows dispensationalism as it is held today. Their views were certainly less well defined and less sophisticated. But it is evident that the early Fathers viewed God' s dealings with His people in dispensational terms. . . . In every major area of importance in the early church one finds rudimentary features of dispensationalism that bear a striking resemblance to their contemporary offspring (" Ages and Dispensations, " 398).
Crutchfield charted these Fathers' schemes in the following chart which I have reproduced in an abbreviated form.
Justin Enoch/ Abraham Moses Christ Millennium
Martyr Noah
Adam Noah Moses Christ Millennium
Irenaeus to to to to
Noah Moses Christ Eternity
Tertullian Adam Noah Abraham Moses Christ Millennium
Crutchfield outlined the early Fathers' views on Israel and the church, which is another feature important to dispensationalism.
The Fathers (1) distinguished between the church and national Israel, (2) recognized distinctions among the differing peoples of God throughout biblical history, and (3) believed in the literal fulfillment of covenant promises in the earthly kingdom. . . . The contemporary dispensational position on Israel and the church is primarily a refinement and not a contradiction of the position of the ante-Nicene church(" Israel and the Church," 271.
There is no doubt that the position of the Fathers on the relationship between Israel and the church has problems. But certain elements in their thought place them close to, though not altogether within, the dispensational camp.
Big Fail, none of those Church Fathers ( and i do love you referring to the Catholic Church Fathers!! it is very ironic! ) ever taught or were even aware of the “pre-trib rapture” theory. they all lived before the 19th century, so it would have been implossible.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh yes . . .
The Vatican Cult’s
—Rubberized history;
—Rubberized early church writers;
—Rubberized ‘logic’
—Daffynitionary
and their
supremely arrogant
IT CAN’T BE TRUE BECAUSE WE SAY IT CAN’T!
LOL.
I’m curious if you read more than 1-3 words of the evidence! LOL.
I do appreciate your reply, however,
that clues me in more emphatically even than before that there’s
one less
Vatican Cultist worth the least bother of a reply.
It does appear that
BIBLICAL CLUELESSNESS
IS VIRTUALLY A
1:1 CORRELATION WITH the degree of
ADORATION/VENERATION/WORSHIP
OF THE VATICAN CULT’S ISHTAR-MARY GODDESS.
The MTV rap comment was humorous though.
Question: Do you deny the signs in the world that full-fill prophesy that comes straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ?
Do you not see the possibility that the end times could possibly span from the time of Christ's Resurrection to the present. What is time to God? It means nothing to Him.
Once a person denies Scripture, it's basically over with me and they have no credibility. A person cannot deny, ignore, or discard any part of Scripture an be a Christian and those of us who love the Lord and love His Bible are under no obligation to spend decades trying to make people see who refuse to see and can't see because they are not saved and do not have the spiritual understanding that only the Holy Spirit can give.
We have shown and proven the Bible to be inerrant and true for years on this forum and the same people continue to deny that truth. It's their funeral. Like Jesus told us, if people refuse to accept His truth, shake the dust off your shoes and move on. We are only required to tell people what He has said - not spend years trying to convince those who cannot understand Scripture because they have rejected Christ as Savior.
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