Posted on 06/14/2011 5:05:57 PM PDT by TaraP
It's been 1500 years since there has been a rabbinically approved sacrifice to take place in Israel and the rabbis did approve a Gentile who trained under the leadership of selected rabbis to perform the sacrifice of two turtledoves recently in Israel. The ceremony took place in the Jordan Valley near Jericho as a number of rabbis watched to make certain all Levitical laws were kept in the offering of these two doves.
There are a number of religious Jews that have been preparing for the building of the temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem who believe that Jews need to become accustomed once again to the offering of animals for the sacrifices called for when the temple is once again standing in Jerusalem.
A rabbinically approved sacrifice being performed in Israel is tangible evidence that Bible prophecy will be fulfilled. Since the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70AD there has not been an opportunity for Jews to offer any of the required sacrifices called for under Levitical law.
Over the last 2000 years there have been several occasions in different parts of the world where rabbis would approve the offering of animals in sacrifice but nothing compared to the days when the temple was standing in Jerusalem.
Recently a Gentile, one trained by a number of rabbis, performed a sacrifice of two turtledoves in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea, the first rabbinically approved sacrifice in 1500 years.
This is a part of a program to prepare the Jewish people for the restoration of the sacrificial system that is called for in the first 7 chapters in the book of Leviticus. Daniel 9:27 reveals that the sacrificial system will be restored when there is a temple in Jerusalem. Even the Messiah's temple described in Ezekiel 40-46 calls for sacrifices to be restored as a part of daily Jewish life.
There will be two temples in the future for the Jewish people, one in the Tribulation period and then another in the time of the Millennial Kingdom of the future. In both of these temples, sacrifices will be made. In fact for the next temple all preparations have been made and its ready to be built in Jerusalem even right now.
A sacrifice made in Israel recently is indeed evidence that Bible prophecy will be fulfilled.
In the absence of the Temple Jews cannot offer sacrifices. Non-Jews are permitted to offer sacrifices at their own altars, though there is some controversy about this since the skin must be given to a kohen (priest) and no priest other than the very young is currently in a state of ritual purity to receive such a gift (at least, that's how I understand it).
I'm a little confused, though. The only sacrifice non-Jews are allowed to offer is the `olah ("whole burnt offering"). Was that what this was? If it wasn't then it wasn't Halakhic. Extreme caution must be exercised here since, as hard as it is to believe, there are subversive elements in the Noachide and Temple movements that are working for ecumenism.
Wrong...Those in Christ will be the Bride...There are and will be other people in heaven who are not the Bride...
I'd guess you don't spend a lot of time in the bible, but depend on what your religion tells you the bible says...
Repeating chr*stian claims over and over and over and over and OVER and again does nothing to prove or validate those claims . . . though this thought never seems to have occurred to chr*stians.
I have no idea what dispensational means or does not mean. It's not my dogma and I have no bone in that fight.
In Waco Texas?
Your "bible" seems to be missing the first five books.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Supersessionism can be further broken down into two branches; Covenant Theology and Kingdom-Dominion Theology.
Covenant Theology is held by many evangelical Reformed Protestant Churches who take a Historical-grammatical and Typological interpretation of the Bible. Adherents would include the Reformed church, most of the Presbyterian church, some low church Anglicans, some Baptist churches, some Wesleyan/Methodist churches and certain Lutheran churches.Kingdom-Dominion Theology is held by reformed, evangelical Protestants (especially Sydney Anglicans), similar to the covenantal theological view.
Dispensationalism is held by groups who believe the scriptures to be inerrant and often more Arminian leaning. Held by many Protestant groups who take what they believe is a more literal interpretation of the Bible, including many, but not most, Pentecostal Charismatic and Baptist churches and Independent and 'Non-denominational' churches as well as a few of the Presbyterian Church and Wesleyan/Methodist churches. Also held by most groups that are labelled Fundamentalists.
Finally, Allegorical Theology is held by some Christian groups ranging from those who are Biblically inerrant to those who do not believe in Biblical inerrancy, including liberal scholars who mostly belong to mainline Protestant denominations. Supporters of this position also include high church Anglo-Catholic, Catholic-leaning Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox churches, and traditional Roman Catholic groups. Belief in the allegorical interpretation of the Bible does not exclude belief in praxeological or literal hermeneutics: for example, Roman Catholic hermeneutics holds that there are many senses in which the Bible is true in addition to literal truth.
While I've tried to make sure that I kept any bias out of the definitions, I'm sure that if I haven't done so, someone will be along to straighten me out. I hope this helps though.
Paladin — no need to apologize. The entire discussion over this is purely in the Reformed/Arminian/Pentecostal stream. In orthodoxy we don’t even think about this, leave alone have any dogma one way or the other. I think that is true for Lutherans as well.
Anyway, here's a brief breakdown of what a Dispensationalist believes.
We believe that history is divided into "dispensations" where God tests man's obedience differently. The present Church dispensation concerns Christians and is a parenthesis to God's main plan of dealing with and blessing his chosen people the Jews. Because of the Jews' rejection of Jesus, Jewish sovereignty over the promised earthly kingdom of Jerusalem and the Land of Israel was postponed from the time of Christ's first coming until prior to or just after his Second Coming when all Jews will embrace him. There will be a Rapture of the Christians on Earth followed by a great tribulation of seven years' duration during which Antichrist will arise and Armageddon will occur. Then Jesus will return visibly to earth and re-establish the nation of Israel; sometime between the Rapture and the Return of Christ, the Jewish temple will be rebuilt at Jerusalem and the Temple mount. Christ, along with the Christians who returned with Christ as part of His army, will reign in Jerusalem for a thousand years, followed by the final judgment and a new heavens and new earth.
I understand, I was apologizing more for making the assumption in the first place. I do try to not make assumptions about people but often fail all the same.
Perhaps significantly less sacramental wine is in order.
Wait a second. You guys don't have dogma concerning the End of the Age and Christ's return? I understand the implications of the Orthodox/Catholic view of Communion and Transubstantiation, but I thought that you guys were looking for His immanent bodily return as in the Second Advent? Did I have that wrong?
Thanks for your kind words, Bro.
BTW, Some folks flatter by their hostility.
Well put, imho.
Thx.
The true and final temple, built of the living stones of His people, has been being built for many centuries. --lnfIn Waco Texas? --allmendream
Of course not.
The church, consisting of all God's elect from the foundation of the earth, is the temple.
Again, I suggest G. K. Beale's The Temple and the Church's Mission: A Biblical Theology of the Dwelling Place of God . Well worth the time to work through.
As JBPhilips might say . . .
sounds like your God is too small.
So, let me get this straight:
- Israel becoming a "physical" nation in a single day is not the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Read Isaiah 66:8. And, the exact time of that happening is not the fulfillment of Bible prophecy?
- Jews returning to "physical" Israel is not fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Read Ezekiel 37:21, Zechariah 8:7-8 and Isaiah 43:5-6, among others.
- "Physical" Jerusalem being returned to the Jews is not fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Read Zechariah 14.
In the same way, "physical" Israel will be prominent in the coming fulfillment of Bible prophecies - as an example, where do you think Armageddon is?
More importantly, maybe you should read those parts of the physical Bible that talk about God's love, grace and mercy, and the fact that those who profess His name should display those same characteristics.
Just because someone believes differently than you about such non-essential issues does not make them a false teacher, but the way you treat them says a lot about your walk with the Lord.
And your biases and blinders tooooo gargantuan with tooooo much of a death grip on your thinking and perceptions.
Hmmmmmmmm interesting.
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