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To: SoothingDave
Denying Mary’s Perpetual Virginity is an historical newcomer

Not so. Victorinus did not believe in Mary's perpetual virginity...nor did Tertullian.

73 posted on 06/14/2011 1:18:46 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up; SoothingDave

“Not so. Victorinus did not believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity...nor did Tertullian.””

This is not true.

From Tertullian....

“And indeed it was a virgin, about to marry once for all after her delivery, who gave birth to Christ, in order that each title of sanctity might be fulfilled in Christ’s parentage, by means of a mother who was both virgin, and wife of one husband. Again, when He is presented as an infant in the temple, who is it who receives Him into his hands? Who is the first to recognize Him in spirit? A man just and circumspect,’ and of course no digamist, (which is plain) even (from this consideration), lest (otherwise) Christ should presently be more worthily preached by a woman, an aged widow, and the wife of one man;’ who, living devoted to the temple, was (already) giving in her own person a sufficient token what sort of persons ought to be the adherents to the spiritual temple,—that is, the Church. Such eye-witnesses the Lord in infancy found; no different ones had He in adult age.” Tertullian, On Monogamy, 8 (A.D. 213).

And we have Saint Jerome telling us what Victorinus spoke of

From Saint Jerome

But as regards Victorinus, I assert what has already been proven from the gospel—that he [Victorinus] spoke of the brethren of the Lord not as being sons of Mary but brethren in the sense I have explained, that is to say, brethren in point of kinship, not by nature. (Against Helvidius: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary 19 [A.D. 383]).


83 posted on 06/14/2011 4:42:03 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: what's up

You’re injecting facts again ... please refrain.


118 posted on 06/15/2011 7:06:45 AM PDT by dartuser ("Dealing with preterists is like cleaning the litter box ... but at least none of the cats are big.")
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To: what's up; dartuser

Victorinus — not quite. Jerome says he was an opponent of this but later on in the same text says that “ But as regards Victorinus, I assert what has already been proved from the Gospel — that he spoke of the brethren of the Lord not as being sons of Mary, but brethren in the sense I have explained, that is to say, brethren in point of kinship not by nature.” (Against Helvidius)


122 posted on 06/15/2011 7:25:41 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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