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To: Diogenesis

My point was that many freepers REALLY despise Mormonism and Mormons.

If you don’t believe this, I suggest you try reading some of the Mormon-bashing threads. A remarkable number of people seem to believe a theological disagreement in and of itself is sufficient reason to vote against a candidate.

I’m not Mormon or particularly fond of the faith, but I can recognize that those posting such extreme dislike for Mormonism are pretty unlikely to vote for a Mormon president, regardless of his positions and record on other issues.

I never said YOU are among this group, necessarily, only that there are a good many of them out there. IOW, the author referenced in the article is correct. His Mormonism IS a problem for Romney. I don’t this it’s his major problem. But it is still a problem.


10 posted on 06/12/2011 5:34:05 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

His Mormonism is definitely a problem, especially when he speaks of it and seems to “gloss over” many of it’s anti-mainstream Christian beliefs. When you are part of a religious group that many think is a cult and you aren’t even straight forward with those that you want to vote for you (mainly conservative Christians and Jews), yeah there’s going to be a problem and it’s of Romney’s own making.


14 posted on 06/12/2011 5:44:03 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Sherman Logan
My point was that many freepers REALLY despise Mormonism. and Mormons.
18 posted on 06/12/2011 6:07:21 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Sherman Logan
My point was that many freepers REALLY despise Mormonism and Mormons.

And I really don't know why this is; for MORMONs are always so loving and kind to others...


Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
 

40 posted on 06/12/2011 6:52:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’m not Mormon or particularly fond of the faith, but...

But you manage to show up a lot and try to defend them from their own history that gets posted.

41 posted on 06/12/2011 6:54:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Sherman Logan

I think the whole is goes back to the warning that comes from Our Lord in Revelations, towards its end not to either “add or subtract” from His word. There is that perception that this warning is violated by adding the Book of Mormon.


73 posted on 06/13/2011 3:17:26 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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