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To: Natural Law
Clarifications were made to further reduce the susceptability of indulgencs to corruption by individuals.

"Abolishing" a practice is NOT "clarification".

The Council of Trent sticks in the craw of Protestants because it organized the counter reformation

Actually I love the Council of Trent (1545AD) because it illustrates just how corrupt the doctrine of the Church became 1000 years later when compared against the Council of Orange (523AD). Consider these contradictory views:

Please note that I've posted the Council of Orange doctrine from a Reformed site. This is because I can't find the Council of Orange's declarations on New Advent, the Catholic website. Instead they just "tell" you (wrongly) about the Council of Orange. Perhaps I'm wrong but try as I might I cannot find the Council of Orange's doctrine of faith on New Advent. One has to wonder what they don't want people to read.

Contrasting the Council of Orange to the much later Council of Trent shows how the Catholic belief was alter from the true Christian faith.

BTW-The Council of Orange backed all their statements up with scriptural quotes.

As far as Wycliffe's statement on the foolishness of indulgences and Luther's assertion that they are pious fraud, it isn't important what the Church's response is. Wycliffe and Luther are correct.

305 posted on 05/30/2011 5:21:50 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
"Actually I love the Council of Trent...

I seriously doubt it. There were 25 session each issuing a Encyclical report. At the most you have read less than 1% of these and of that I doubt you comprehended much without the context of the whole (kind of like your knowledge of Scripture and the Catechism of the Church). Its clarifications made anuses and corruption more visible and less possible. Its exact wording is important since the Protestant characterization of them is frankly dishonest:

, It ordains generally by this decree, that all evil gains for the obtaining thereof,--whence a most prolific cause of abuses amongst the Christian people has been derived,--be wholly abolished. But as regards the other abuses which have proceeded from superstition, ignorance, irreverence, or from what soever other source, since, by reason of the manifold corruptions in the places and provinces where the said abuses are committed, they cannot conveniently be specially prohibited; It commands all bishops, diligently to collect, each in his own church, all abuses of this nature, and to report them in the first provincial Synod; that, after having been reviewed by the opinions of the other bishops also, they may forthwith be referred to the Sovereign Roman Pontiff, by whose authority and prudence that which may be expedient for the universal Church will be ordained; that this the gift of holy Indulgences may be dispensed to all the faithful, piously, holily, and incorruptly.

The Second Council of Orange, that Calvinists often point to as validation of their heresy, is not even included among the 20 recognized Ecumenical Councils and is not therefore official Church doctrine or dogma. (That explains why you didn't find it.) Its findings were never recognized by the entire Church and have never been considered infallible or a product of the Magisterium.

314 posted on 05/30/2011 7:16:47 PM PDT by Natural Law
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