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To: HarleyD
"Actually I love the Council of Trent...

I seriously doubt it. There were 25 session each issuing a Encyclical report. At the most you have read less than 1% of these and of that I doubt you comprehended much without the context of the whole (kind of like your knowledge of Scripture and the Catechism of the Church). Its clarifications made anuses and corruption more visible and less possible. Its exact wording is important since the Protestant characterization of them is frankly dishonest:

, It ordains generally by this decree, that all evil gains for the obtaining thereof,--whence a most prolific cause of abuses amongst the Christian people has been derived,--be wholly abolished. But as regards the other abuses which have proceeded from superstition, ignorance, irreverence, or from what soever other source, since, by reason of the manifold corruptions in the places and provinces where the said abuses are committed, they cannot conveniently be specially prohibited; It commands all bishops, diligently to collect, each in his own church, all abuses of this nature, and to report them in the first provincial Synod; that, after having been reviewed by the opinions of the other bishops also, they may forthwith be referred to the Sovereign Roman Pontiff, by whose authority and prudence that which may be expedient for the universal Church will be ordained; that this the gift of holy Indulgences may be dispensed to all the faithful, piously, holily, and incorruptly.

The Second Council of Orange, that Calvinists often point to as validation of their heresy, is not even included among the 20 recognized Ecumenical Councils and is not therefore official Church doctrine or dogma. (That explains why you didn't find it.) Its findings were never recognized by the entire Church and have never been considered infallible or a product of the Magisterium.

314 posted on 05/30/2011 7:16:47 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
I seriously doubt it. There were 25 session each issuing a Encyclical report. At the most you have read less than 1% of these and of that I doubt you comprehended much

See. That's where you're wrong. I have read and reread the entire Council of Trent several times. Now I suspect that you have never read the Council of Orange nor could you comprehend it if you did. Its decrees contradicts the Council of Trent's decrees. I've noticed that you have failed to specifically address the contradictory Canons from the CofO and the CofT. But you're certainly not the first Catholic to do so.

316 posted on 05/31/2011 2:40:19 AM PDT by HarleyD
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