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Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie
vanity | 5/21/11 | marbren

Posted on 05/21/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by marbren

Camping is a victim of replacement theology. IMHO the lie of replacement theology is almost as insidious as idolatry. The key to holistic understanding of Bible prophecy is to understand the role of Israel in it. God keeps his promises to Israel. This is a model to the rest of us that he will keep his promises to us as well.

A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.

The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.

This replacement theology lie has lead to the church we have today. Everyone is running around not knowing what is happening in these end times we are in. The truth is The Church, the Bride of Christ, has a role and Israel has a role. Think of men and women, children and parents, husbands and wives, angels and people, dogs and cats, sheep and goats, wheat and tares. All these have roles God invented.

So the solution: Open your Bible, drop your preconceived notions and open your mind, ask God to reveal the truth about all this Israel stuff written in the Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ is central in it all. Gods Grace and Mercy is incredible, He does all the work. Faith and hope and love permeate the entire Bible and the greatest of these is love.


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: haroldcamping; rapture; replacementtheology
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To: xone

Thanks for posting this RIM Info written by the Synod. Anyone who has a personal walking talking relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ might find it interesting. So many memories. I lived through it. I even wrote a college paper on the liberal Seminex experience in the 70’s. The LCMS fought liberalism and the charismatic movement, Presently the discussion is I guess over new hymnal old hymnal (liturgy vs contemporary worship)...Where are they today however? Not much concern about end times.


661 posted on 05/24/2011 11:19:00 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Cronos
>>Jesus is the savior, but nowhere can one make the fallacious derivation of "personal relationship"<<

I am sorry you don’t understand. That simple fact is clear evidence that you don’t understand the close relationship we who put our faith in Jesus can have, indeed are expected to have, with a gracious and loving God.

Firstly I would simply suggest you avail yourself of Jesus presence and ask Him. I will let a passage from a book by Franz Theremin to give you an idea from which you can investigate.

Franz Theremin (1780-1846) in his book The Confession of Adalbert (1828) One of the key scenes occurs in Letter #35 (pp. 191- 204), where he corresponds with his spiritual adviser (Steindorf) about the nature of the Christian’s encounter with Jesus.

Has not Christ promised to be with us, even till the end of the world; and to be in the midst of us when two or three are assembled in his name? And after such promises, shall we consider him as at a distance, or as near and present? Has not Christ promised that he will come with the Father and take up his abode with those that love him; and may I not speak of holding converse with him, when he has spoken of a dwelling in us, which implies something infinitely more and a connection much more close and intimate? Did not the Apostle hold such a converse with him, when he besought him to take away the thorn in the flesh, under which he was suffering, and was immediately enjoined by the Lord to let his grace suffice him? Did he not necessarily hold such a converse with him, in order to be able to say, ‘I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me?’ Does he not enjoin the maintenance of this fellowship with Christ upon those to whom he wrote, when he says, “Your life is hid with Christ in God?” And does the beloved disciple, who lay upon the bosom of Jesus, not only whilst the latter sojourned here upon earth, but also after he had departed hence — does John intend anything else when he represents the Lord as knocking at the door, ready, if any one open it, to enter in and sup with him?”

>> where is that per sola scriptura?<<

Don’t start the nonsense with sola scriptura as if it’s solo scriptura. Sola scriptura simply means that if it can not be verified by scripture it is not to be taken as doctrine. Trying to pervert the meaning is demeaning to the accuser.

662 posted on 05/24/2011 11:25:15 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"Sola scriptura simply means that if it can not be verified by scripture it is not to be taken as doctrine."

HERE

663 posted on 05/24/2011 11:27:50 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I've studied prophecy 30 years" usually means "I have everything Hal Lindsay ever 'wrote'." ~ LNF)
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To: Cronos
"Thank’s — the entire non-biblical belief espoused in Cynical Bear’s post is shown in your reply on how the entire post is one of the leading myths of “God is my buddy”. Folks who believe this go the next step to believing in Dan Brown’s crap."

You're welcome.

664 posted on 05/24/2011 11:30:36 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I've studied prophecy 30 years" usually means "I have everything Hal Lindsay ever 'wrote'." ~ LNF)
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To: CynicalBear; Matchett-PI
Cronos: Where exactly is that in the Bible? This is never taught from scripture, yet parroted by many. While the Bible says that (Matt. 1:21 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins, Acts 4:12 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.) Jesus is the savior, but nowhere can one make the fallacious derivation of "personal relationship" -- where is that per sola scriptura?

And you reply back with proof that is NOT in the Bible -- I thought you were a Bible ALONE guy?

Where's the proof IN the Bible for your "God is my bosom buddy" kind of statement?

665 posted on 05/24/2011 11:33:47 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: CynicalBear; Matchett-PI
CB: "Sola scriptura simply means that if it can not be verified by scripture it is not to be taken as doctrine."

Oohh... really -- so then why do you not accept the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist or Baptism for the Remission of Sins?

Lutherans hold to this too -- why don't you?

666 posted on 05/24/2011 11:35:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

POST 666 is now history.


667 posted on 05/24/2011 11:42:24 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Cronos
>>And does this group also include those who say that Jesus Christ is:<<

What a naïve set of questions.

>>Just a prophet<<

If He was simply a prophet He wouldn’t be able to save would He?

Just a man who died?

If He was “just a man” He wouldn’t have been the “sinless sacrifice” would He?

>>The first born of creation,<<

If He was simply the first born of creation He wouldn’t have called Himself the “Word” without being a liar would He? “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 ….. “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14

>>the Archangel Michael<<

Your silly line of questions is beginning to look to me like a feeble attempt to throw up straw dogs because you are so Biblically illiterate you don’t understand what “believe on the Lord Jesus” means and entails.

668 posted on 05/24/2011 11:46:46 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: marbren
Not much concern about end times.

Likely because the Word and Sacraments provide all a Christian needs to be about doing what their Lord and Savior wants them to be doing. The call to preach/teach and Baptize hasn't expired.

669 posted on 05/24/2011 11:49:07 AM PDT by xone
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To: CynicalBear
Interesting -- all of the folks who hold to the following beliefs prove it by SOLA scriptura

this group also include those who say that Jesus Christ is:

  1. Just a prophet
  2. Just a man who died?
  3. The first born of creation,
  4. the Archangel Michael

So, if you say you belong to a group who say that truly trust in Jesus as their savior and have a personal relationship with Him -- guess what -- the Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, etc. all do that too! Congratulations!

670 posted on 05/24/2011 11:49:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos
>>Lutherans hold to this too -- why don't you?<<

So I should believe something just because Lutherans do? Would that include Sodomites as clergy?

671 posted on 05/24/2011 11:50:07 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos
>>So, if you say you belong to a group who say that truly trust in Jesus as their savior and have a personal relationship with Him -- guess what -- the Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, etc. all do that too! Congratulations!<<

I doubt you see how ridiculous your tactics have actually become. See ya.

672 posted on 05/24/2011 11:53:14 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: marbren

Interesting who got it.


673 posted on 05/24/2011 11:53:37 AM PDT by xone
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To: CynicalBear

See ya — check out the threads where the Unitarians use your sola scriptura points to prove their beliefs that they think Jesus wasn’t God. G


674 posted on 05/24/2011 11:56:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: xone

Are you Lutheran also?


675 posted on 05/24/2011 11:56:45 AM PDT by marbren
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To: xone

Cronos


676 posted on 05/24/2011 11:57:25 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Matchett-PI

God is not my co pilot. God is the pilot I am a passenger.


677 posted on 05/24/2011 12:01:28 PM PDT by marbren
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To: xone; marbren

no worries — you’ve gotten it before I’m sure, it goes with the multiple post threads!


678 posted on 05/24/2011 12:01:40 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

No worries!look at the lilies of the field!


679 posted on 05/24/2011 12:04:14 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

Yep.


680 posted on 05/24/2011 12:07:14 PM PDT by xone
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