Posted on 05/21/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by marbren
Camping is a victim of replacement theology. IMHO the lie of replacement theology is almost as insidious as idolatry. The key to holistic understanding of Bible prophecy is to understand the role of Israel in it. God keeps his promises to Israel. This is a model to the rest of us that he will keep his promises to us as well.
A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.
The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.
This replacement theology lie has lead to the church we have today. Everyone is running around not knowing what is happening in these end times we are in. The truth is The Church, the Bride of Christ, has a role and Israel has a role. Think of men and women, children and parents, husbands and wives, angels and people, dogs and cats, sheep and goats, wheat and tares. All these have roles God invented.
So the solution: Open your Bible, drop your preconceived notions and open your mind, ask God to reveal the truth about all this Israel stuff written in the Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ is central in it all. Gods Grace and Mercy is incredible, He does all the work. Faith and hope and love permeate the entire Bible and the greatest of these is love.
Many palaces in this thread where God’s written word has been posted.
Satan hates Christians, Satan loves unbelievers, whether they are Jewish or Gentiles.
Again my friend, the issue is Jesus and who He is, not DNA matter.
humor me, please just give me one.
please keep in mind, every time the Bible says “Israel”, it doesn’t always mean corporate Israel, it usually means the Church. please read Romans 9:6.
I really recommend you understand that the Early Church Fathers were NOT infallibly inspired to declare that everything they taught was the truth. That is why God GIFTED us with the Holy Scriptures. They are what are infallibly inspired.
I’m sure good ol’ Irenaeus will be more than happy to worship God with me in Heaven. :o)
you are correct they were not infallibly inspired, but what they do testify to is the universal Faith that was handed down by the Apostles. so you see the same Faith in Corinth, as in Jerusalem, as in India, as in Rome, as in Alexandra, etc. We also know that Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to guide the Church into all truth and we also know that all the groups who weren’t part of the Catholic Church, denied the deity of Christ or taught other heredical teachings. they also testify to the Catholic Faith, and we can clearly see it’s doctrines in their writings. think about it, 1,500 years is a long time for The Church to be teaching heresy before the reformers showed up.
This just reveals your lack of understanding about God's plan for the end of this Age. The Church Age ends with the Rapture. The Church Age began at Pentecost and ends at the Rapture. This requires a belief that all of the Scripture is the inspired word of God and that every single word is absolute truth and inerrant. If you don't believe that, if you feel there is quite a bit of Scripture which man has the wisdom and omniscience to deny, then you're not going to understand what God is talking about when He says that "all Israel will be saved."
The reason is that Body has already suffered, died and rose again.
Well, actually Jesus Christ suffered, died and rose again for the salvation of the world. I, as a member of the Church, did not do these things. I give all the credit for suffering, dying, and rising again to Jesus Christ and no one else. I am the beneficiary of what He did, but I had nothing to do with it.
If you aren’t in that Body, you are still an enemy of God and will suffer eternal punishment.
That is true for this present Age. The Church Age is coming to a close and there will be people saved after the Church Age has ended but they will not be part of the Church. It's all in Scripture.
For a Jew to be at peace with God, they must believe on Jesus and be baptized for the remission of their sins, then they will be part of the true Israel of God.
No, they will be part of the Church. Israel is a separate entity from the Church and has a different destiny than the Church.
This applies to all Gentiles as well. your statement that those who accept Christ during the Tribulation will be believers but will not be part of the Church is so unbiblical to be laughable. again, spiritual blindness to what the Church is. ( hint: it’s not like the Rotary Club )
Well I'm not surprised that you find that laughable since it is part of Scripture. I'm not going into a Bible study right now since I have to work tomorrow, but the Scripture states that the Church will be removed at the Rapture and while it will be possible to be saved during the Tribulation, those who get saved during the Tribulation will not be part of the Church.
I guess you can throw that on your pile of Scripture that you have denied and discarded. I, on the other hand, will believe everything that God has said even if it doesn't always make sense to my fallen, limited, finite mind.
Good night.
that’s funny, because you won’t worship with me today or St Irenaeus if he was still alive. I guess you think Jesus has many bodies, i think He has One Body.
Satan hates Christians, Satan loves unbelievers, whether they are Jewish or Gentiles.Again my friend, the issue is Jesus and who He is, not DNA matter.
"But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but 'Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.' "
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. "
you have a good night. i appreciate the dialogue, because even though i believe you are spiritually blinded, i really think others benefitted from the exchange.
150% correct, i am not sure why everyone can’t see that.
So show me the scriptural proof.
be warned, some will charge you with being “anti-jewish” for posting verses such as those.
don’t have to, you must show me where it says she wasn’t.
still waiting on your answer on “The Body of Christ” question. remember, Scripture is the authority and not you, right?
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
That’s the same type of symbolism Jesus used often. It’s what He was using when He said “this is my body”, “I am the door”, and was referred to as the “lamb of God”.
Yeah, well, nothing is too low to stoop to in an effort to malign Protestants.
Are you trying to say that you could claim anything and if I can’t prove from scripture that it’s not true you would make it part of your faith? How preposterous is that?
I wasn’t the one who “added to scripture”. You and the RCC added that to scripture so need to show proof. After all, you did say: “absolutely, Sacred Tradition must be in accord with Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Scriptures had to be in accord with Sacred Tradition in order for the Church to include the book in the canon.”
thank you, you proved my point perfectly. Scripture is Jesus said “This is My Body”, Pope CynicalBear thinks it is symbolic, so Jesus should have said “This symbolically represents My Body”
do you claim infallibility as well or can you be wrong on this?
you do agree with me, in this case, you are the authority for what you ultimately believe, right?
Okay, now I know for sure you're deluded/ill-informed. You cannot possibly state that the RCC today believes in the exact same things as in the first and second century with a straight face, can you? Surely, you know that many "dogmas" of the current organization were unheard of back in Irenaeus' time. Not even the Orthodox orthodox believe that!
Another thing, any list showing succession is just that. Peter laid hands on who he personally taught and vetted and passed onto the local churches to which he presided as overseer. This was NEVER - until much later - meant as these bishops/overseers inherited the apostolic authority originally given to the twelve by Jesus himself. One quick way to prove this is that no Pope ever exhibited the gifts of the Holy Spirit such as raising the dead and healing. Nor did they ever have any of their writings accepted into the canon of universally recognized Holy Scripture. That authority ended with the original apostles and only their position of leadership was passed down. Of course, in the history of the RCC there have been many anti-Popes, co-Popes, apostate Popes, debauched Popes, etc. So it is ludicrous to insist the hierarchy you have today has retained the same authority and power that was given to the ONLY apostles.
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