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To: LeGrande

Yes there is a God. Like I said before your house did not appear one day with all the rooms, electricity, ac, etc... Someone built it. Your computer with Windows, the Internet and email did not just appear one day. Someone built it.

I think it’s funny when you can’t argue facts you attack the person. LOL! Now how old are you?

Wrong on Einstein too (what a surprise!)... He was trying to figure out how God thinks....

Like I said earlier I would not bet against Planck and Einstein.


68 posted on 05/15/2011 9:17:26 PM PDT by Sprite518
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There is no Stephen Hawking;he is a fairy.....


73 posted on 05/15/2011 9:20:43 PM PDT by razbinn (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,and to the republic for which it ...)
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To: Sprite518
Einstein is very difficult to enlist to the Theist side of the debate. Yes, he was obsessed with the question of existence, and yes, he believed a Supreme Reality existed and was responsible for all else. He did not believe in the God of Abraham, or in a personal God at all.

But none of that is particularly relevant: Planck, Einstein, and Hawking do not have any serious training in metaphysics, philosophy, or theology. As such, their opinions are no more important than yours or mine. Invoking them as authorities in these matters one way or the other is nonsensical.

Hawking's lengthy discourses on these matters is not new, and have always been cringe-inducingly silly. His arguments are childish and unsophisticated, and many of them were raised and dismissed even by the pre-Christian Greeks. Much serious philosophical work beyond that of a sophomore bull session appears to be completely unknown to Hawking. He should stay within his field and stop making a fool of himself for the sake of physics if not for the sake of theology. His criticisms advance the latter not even an Angstrom.

83 posted on 05/15/2011 9:34:55 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Sprite518
I said earlier I would not bet against Planck and Einstein.

Same here. Neither of them claimed to know the hows and whys behind the universe-creating intelligence (God), but they knew the most important thing -- the fundamental fact of His existence.

84 posted on 05/15/2011 9:37:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Sprite518

Einstein was - at most - deist and made this very, very explicit a number of times throughout his life. He did, at times, make reference to ‘God’ - most famously in the line “God does not play dice with the Universe” in relation to Bohr (and Plancks) Quantum Theory (and in which case he has been proved wrong) - but Einstein’s “God” bears absolutely no relation to a Theistic God and is, in fact, used as a synonym for “The Universe”. Whenever Einstein speaks of God, what he’s talking about are the fundamental physical principles of the Universe - which he believed to be entirely materialistic. To make any kind of claim that Einstein believed in a personal God is absolutely ridiculous.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.” - Albert Einstein, The Human Side, 1954 (1 year before his death).

“A man’s ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.” (Religion and Science, New York Times, 1930)

“I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts.” (The World as I See It)


102 posted on 05/15/2011 11:07:46 PM PDT by Behemothpanzer (You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.)
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To: Sprite518
Yes there is a God. Like I said before your house did not appear one day with all the rooms, electricity, ac, etc... Someone built it. Your computer with Windows, the Internet and email did not just appear one day. Someone built it.

There is no God and I built my house. What is the point you are trying to make?

I think it’s funny when you can’t argue facts you attack the person. LOL! Now how old are you?

I am sorry, how exactly did I attack you?

Wrong on Einstein too (what a surprise!)... He was trying to figure out how God thinks....

LOL Do you even know what GUT stands for?

Like I said earlier I would not bet against Planck and Einstein.

You do know they were wrong, when it came to QM?

145 posted on 05/16/2011 6:03:55 AM PDT by LeGrande (“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion” John)
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