Posted on 05/14/2011 10:57:12 AM PDT by TaraP
Are we seeing the Drought mentioned in the Book of Joel that heralds the Day of the Lord?
Israel's seventh consecutive year of drought (3/29/11) http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=214229
Europe Wheat Harvest to Fall on Drought, May Be Catastrophic (5/6/11) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-06/europe-wheat-harvest-to-fall-on-drought-may-be-catastrophic-agritel-says.html
Drought Monitor: Texas still parched (5/5/11) http://www.cattlenetwork.com/cattle-news/Drought-Monitor-Historic-tornado-outbreak-and-flooding-in-Southeast-121321219.html
US Drought Monitor - Drought and Floods hitting our Bread Basket and Beef Producers http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html
Russian drought (2/10/11) http://blogs.wsj.com/source/tag/russian-drought/
Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God?
The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered.
How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate.
O LORD, to thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and the flame hath burned all the trees of the field.
The beasts of the field cry also unto thee: for the rivers of waters are dried up, and the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness. (Joel 1:15-20)
Boy, that was lame. I need specific Scriptures from you which contradict the Scriptures in Genesis which detail the fact that the Abrahamic Covenant, in which God gives the land of Israel to the Jews, is conditional upon their behavior. Would you like to try again “.
Of course you would think so. Your own engagement of poultry pecking scrptures in a Bible that is seven books short is hardly a virtue, and does not necessarily challenge the knowledge of others. It’s abominable to use Sacred Scripture to muscle up your topical ego.
Are you still looking for that scripture wherein it is said that you are saved by scripture alone and the Bible alone and Bible knowledge alone?
Short on knowledge of all things Christian prior to the 1800’s does not even a scholar make, let alone a knowledgeble Christian. Lame is as lame does. So, no, given your limitations that disadvantage you, I wouldn’t want to try again.
Israel is land he specifically gave to the Jewish people....
No other place on earth has GOD specifically said belongs to a group of certain people’s....
Geography is not the way to Heaven, but the Old Testament foreshadow of the Kingdom of Heaven and the new Jerusalem;a way of teaching what was to come. Spiritual geography, if you will. If we failed Him so, in the perfect Garden of Eden, then we surely recognize that in the land of milk and honey (Israel), we shall fail Him certainly. And clearly we have.
Oh, get off it. You made an assertion which you were challenged on and you can't produce the Scripture to validate your assertion. It's as simple as that.
Are you still looking for that scripture wherein it is said that you are saved by scripture alone and the Bible alone and Bible knowledge alone?
I know where that is. I'm looking for you to provide Scripture which says that God is a covenant and promise breaker and which says that, even though God tells us in Scripture that His promises to His chosen people are eternal and the covenant that He made with Abraham and Abraham's descendants giving them the land of Israel is absolutely binding and unconditional, in your opinion, which trumps the Bible, because the Jewish people have not yet been brought to a condition of knowing Christ is their Messiah, God is going to break His promises to them.
If that's what you believe, and you consider yourself to be saved, you need to start sweating because if God will not keep His promises to the people to whom salvation was offered first, then He will not keep His promises to you. Which, of course, means that He could pull your salvation out from under you at any time.
Short on knowledge of all things Christian prior to the 1800’s does not even a scholar make, let alone a knowledgeble Christian. Lame is as lame does. So, no, given your limitations that disadvantage you, I wouldn’t want to try again.
Blah, blah, blah. I don't know where you've been, but the John Darby-as-convenient-excuse-to-deny-Scripture garbage has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked and torn to bits. It didn't work when the first denier of Scripture tried and it is long past it's prime now. Basically, everybody is on to the lame attempts to use John Darby to discredit Scripture and it's over. Time to get some new material.
The bottom line is that you simply cannot produce Scripture to validate your assertion that God has broken His promises to His chosen people. You can't provide it because it does not exist. And your own opinion is not equal to Scripture, nor is it an acceptable substitute.
Scripture diving, like dumpster diving, is not a virtue, but pure vanity, and in any case hardly fair when you remain disadvantaged, several books short of what you proclaim.
God is not a covenant breaker and all is binding and eternal. Simply, the Church fulfills the role of Israel as Jesus fulfilled the Law. Israel and the Law failed God. The Church through the great Sacrifice is greater than Israel, is Christ’s mystical body on earth having the Law fulfilled in Christ. The Law is not done away with—it is the Ten Commandments. Israel is not done away with—it remains a nation whose people are free to come into the new Covenant, the new Israel, the Church.
I do sweat my Salvation, every day failing, contrary to those who remain presumptuous, shouting, “ Lord, Lord, but I have cast out demons in your name “. I recall our Lord’s reply to that daily.
By the way, the Lord does not pull His salvation out from under us. You and I do that.
Your interest in “John Darby” is meaningless as I’ve never heard of him. Scripture is truth. It is not chopped liver. As fast as the revisions come and language changes it is you relying on the “new material”. I recommend you get off the broad road and force an interest in the “old material”, prior to the 1600’s, 1800’s, etc.
It takes a particular level of spiritual blindness and a particularly nasty hatred of Jews to be willing to deny the plain, clear Scripture about the eternal covenants God has with them that are eternal and irrevocable.
OK, thanks for reminding all of us of your spiritual state by your hate-filled slanderous salutation. (for grins, compare this with the beginning of any of the apostolic letters)
It's a crime that the reformed churches are so dead to the inarguable truth in Scripture concerning the fact that the Jews are God's chosen people
I can find all kinds of places in Scripture where God "chooses" for Himself a people who are not Jews. So either the Bible is a closed book to you, or it is you who are so spiritually blind that you can't see passages like:
James 2:5"Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Galatians 3:29"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Ephesians 1:4"According as He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love...
1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light"
Revelation 17:14 "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
There are many more, but the point being is that all of the passages refer to the Bride of Christ, the Church, the whole point and purpose of Creation, its our LORD's revelation of Himself from the least to the greatest to show His Glory, and part of that is to call a people unto Himself. Now, for some demonic reason you wish to profane God and say that Christ-killers are the main subject of the Scriptures, when the Bible is all about Jesus Christ and the plan of Redemption which includes people of every nation including Jews and Gentiles.
You are hung up on one small part of the Abrahamic Covenant and can see nothing else. There was also the Noahic Covenant and Noah was not a Jew. Furthermore, there is a reason why Ishmael, a biological and first born son of Abraham, was not part of the Covenant. Also why Esau, another first born was not part of the Covenant, You need to ask yourself why our LORD distinguished Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
But since you are all torqued up about the Abrahamic Covenant, lets fight through your spiritual myopia and look closer at the part you hate and wish to ignore, and that is found in Genesis 17
In verse four and six we read that Abram (his name at that time) will be "the father of many nations" would you like to take a stab on what is meant by "many" in that promise? In v21 we understand that Ishmael is not one of the "many" nations God had in mind, rather that the Covenant would be established through Isaac (who was not yet born). (Clues are in the NT passages provided above)
Yes, you are correct about the "everlasting" aspects, it is repeated by God several times just to make sure that we understand that the Covenant is everlasting. You may also want to note that the Covenant can be broken, and the violator is to be cut-off (v14) Here is where you are proven to be dead-wrong about the enjoyment of the Covenant by the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. While it is everlasting, it is indeed severable and there are plenty of ways of being cut-off from the Covenant (Ex 12:15; 30:33; Lev 7:20-21,25,27; Num 15:30-31).
The Jews in the wilderness rejected circumcision, which alone should have denied them the Promised Land, and Joshua remedied their lack of circumcision (5:2-15) by forcing upon the children of Israel prior to entering the Land.
You are also hung-up on this land thing, so I want to draw your attention to Leviticus 18:24-29 where our LORD warns the children of Israel not to defile themselves nor violate any of our LORD's statutes because if they are to do it, then the "land will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you" and lest you forget why, the passage immediately following this judgment says "the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people" - which is the language of the Covenant given to Abram back in Genesis 18 - a person is "cut-off from their people" which means that they no longer enjoy the promises of the Covenant. It doesn't mean that the everlasting Covenant ends, it means that those who have been "cut-off" are outside of the Covenant.
In view of being "cut-off" meaning to be out of the Covenant, go back to Romans 11 where the Gentiles are "grafted in" to the Abrahamic Covenant, and the unbelieving Jews are "cut off" from the Covenant. This is the doctrine you mock - yet it is the doctrine of Redemption that God established before the foundation of the world.
Now go back and read Hebrews, and you will see that the Abrahamic Covenant was not about some wretched scratch of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea, it was about the spiritual heavenly "land" that has its foundation in God, not some warring tribes, reprobates and vermin. The physical land of Canaan was a type, that is why the reformed sing of "Going to Canaan land" - it isn't like we want to settle alongside the Palestinians, its about the LORD's heavenly Kingdom that the Church you mock has treasured for thousands of years.
Even if you wish to continue to reject the fullness of the Abrahamic Covenant, and desperately cling to the worldly shadows, the modern people of Israel have done absolutely NOTHING to hold up their side of the Covenant, and while the Covenant is everlasting, enjoyment of it demands perfect obedience to all of the ordinances and statutes of God lest they be cut-off.
I think it is quite obvious that today's Jews who do not have faith in Jesus Christ have been cut-off and have no part in the everlasting Covenant. All of this war, strife and chaos in the Middle East is nothing more than rebels demanding an inheritance that is no longer theirs to take. Does this mean Israel has no right to exist there as a nation? Absolutely not, just like Yemen, China or the US has a right to exist as a nation - if they can defend and keep it, but it is blasphemy against God to say that those who have been cut-off from the Covenant have an expectation from God that He will wink at their rebellion and treat them as those within the Covenant.
Can you scream a bit louder, I can’t hear you....
Geography is not the way to Heaven,....No it isn’t, however geography as in the Mount of Olives in Israel is where Jesus is returning to.....
When there's a drought, you post Armageddon stories.
Earthquakes, tsunamis, snowstorms, tornadoes, hurricanes, influenza outbreaks, oil well leaks, heat wave, cold snap, etc., etc., etc.
There isn't anything weather related that you can't turn into an “end of the world” scenario.
And probably a lot of non-weather related events that are a “sign” for you, that the Apocalypse is “near”.
I'm guessing that my posting this to you is a sign that the Apocalypse is coming “soon”. And you can find a quote from the Bible to back it up.
LOL! I didn't say it. I wrote it.
If you heard me scream, you've got bigger problems than a drought.
BTW, it's raining here....
That’s your opinion..
I as a Witness for the Risen Saviour Jesus Christ will proclaim what I believe from the Holy Scriptures and share it with other’s....
You are no different that people who laughed and mocked Noah as he was building his Ark....
Times change, but people do not....
Then why didn’t you write...***No****.
You typed screamed it.
LOL! Di it startle you, and make you jump?
No different? You know me that well do you?
And I guess that makes you like Noah?
Has God himself spoken to you and commanded you to warn the people of impending doom?
Because those are the words you've written.
Or are you twisting the words in the Bible to insult me? Sure seems like it.
Has God himself spoken to you and commanded you to warn the people of impending doom?
..Yes...
I never insulted you....
It did not make me jump, it made me think you are a screamer.
“You are no different that people who laughed and mocked Noah as he was building his Ark....”
Or the people who laughed and mocked the false prophets.
These people sound like the May 21st profiteers who are down to the last chance to raise a few dollars.
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