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To: Colofornian; Elsie; SkyPilot

Out of context? Hardly — James points out that it is not faith ALONE that saves us but it is God’s grace that saves us. Even demons have “faith” in God’s power and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but they are not saved. It is only through God’s grace that we are saved.


277 posted on 05/09/2011 9:17:09 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos
Out of context? Hardly

Yes, fully out of context to apply relational faith to demons! Faith is a personal living trust. The context of your earlier usage of this was to imply that the faith demons have is "incomplete" -- as if the "faith" they have would be fine if only they would "flesh it out" with whatever 1-2-3 spiritual checklist you would like to add to "faith."

— James points out that it is not faith ALONE that saves us but it is God’s grace that saves us.

"Grace" = "gift"...and "faith" is one of God's gifts.

17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. 18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. (James 1:17-18)

Even demons have “faith” in God’s power and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but they are not saved.

Because it was not personally applied, but in fact was rejected long ago. Sorry, but Demons aren't your "poster boys" for incomplete faith -- as if they were prime-time reps of your "faith alone" crowd. They are actually your poster entities for being faithless...having substituted a false god (Lucifer) long ago!

Before Judas ever betrayed Jesus with bad deeds, he did so relationally that already pitted him vs. Jesus at the time of the Last Supper!

You somehow keep thinking that you can define "faith" outside a context of personal trust!

280 posted on 05/09/2011 11:28:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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