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To: bronx2
It appears your grasp of history rivals that of the Communist revisionists of the 20th Century who adapted the past to fit their ideas.The catholic canon existed in the 4th Century as most "Objective" historical texts would confirm. Visit your local library and inform yourself and do not persist in your unbelief.

It would be wise to check your history friend . There was no unified Roman canon until trent.. various provincial councils declared a canon for their area . Each province had different canons ...

Any such reputable objective historical tome, notwithstanding some self serving protestant revisionist source, would debunk your theory. Note the operative word is “Objective” a term that perhaps need further explanation.

LOL ... Catholics do little or no research and they want to call protestants "self serving

As an example let me cite . Clement, of Alexandria, names all the books of the New Testament except Philemon, James, 2 Peter and 3 John.

Hilary (bishop of Poictiers, rejected the apocrypha (Prologue to the Psalms, Sec. 15)

There3 are more variances if you are interested..

46 posted on 05/04/2011 6:08:00 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Once again, one sees that the lack of historical knowledge portrayed in your fictional account of these historical matters is beyond belief. Your comical mention of a lack of a "Unified Roman Canon until Trent " is beyond any rational belief and parallels the prior mentioned revisionists who alter historical matters to fit their needs. . So here we go:

1. How do you define the word "Unified"and how do you define your use of the term "Provincial Councils. It is apparent from your sentence in this regard that the measure of your historical knowledge regarding these affairs has been taken and found wanting. Unless you write in an exacting precise fashion, your commentary is merely self serving and of no value.

2. How do you define province? What empirical evidence do you possess that "Catholics do little or no research" Such commentary bereft of any objective historical evidence merely serves to expose the bigotry and poor quality of thought process of the author

This unsubstantiated comment alone clearly demonstrates you make comments totally unsupported by historical evidence only evidencing apparent biased and bigoted emotions which Jesus categorically condemns in the Bible see Mt 7:1. Making extraneous cites with no relationship to the topic under consideration only serves serves to underscore your apparent ignorance of Bible history

Perhaps taking a historical course at some post secondary facility as a junior a or community facility would provide you with a means to discuss and argue these matters in a logical informed fashion. But do not become too exercised when you discover the error of your misinformed ways.

51 posted on 05/04/2011 8:47:16 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: RnMomof7
For you, Rnmomof7, more errors in sola scriptura
Now the sola scriptura types say they hold to scripture alone, Yet they hold on to things like
  1. the Rapture
  2. "Accept Jesus as your personal Savior" --> this bears more time. This is never taught from scripture, yet parroted by many. While the Bible says that (Matt. 1:21 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins, Acts 4:12 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.) Jesus is the savior, but nowhere can one make the fallacious derivation -- where is it per sola scriptura?
  3. In fact the Bible says
    Matthew 28.20
    20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
    Revelation 2.10
    10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
    1 Corinthians 15:58
    58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
    1 Corinthians 15.1-4
    1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
    There's not quick fix, just "accept", but 12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
  4. Then the "accept Jesus and ask Him to come into your heart" which seems at odds with Matt 7:21.

56 posted on 05/05/2011 3:18:39 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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