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Why We Need the 'Solas'
Banner of Truth ^ | John M. Brentnall

Posted on 05/04/2011 10:56:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Martin Luther is not merely a key figure in the unfolding of events in the Protestant Reformation; he also played a major role in moulding its ideas. 'Perhaps more than any other person, Luther shaped the presuppositions that define Protestantism.' (Stephen J. Nichols) These presuppositions are known to scholars in their Latin form as the five Reformation 'solas': 'sola Scriptura' = 'Scripture alone'; 'sola fide' = 'faith alone'; 'sola gratia' = 'grace alone'; 'solus Christus' = 'Christ alone'; and 'soli Deo gloria' = 'to the glory of God alone.' That they each find their place at the root of Luther's thinking is sufficient testimony to the seminal role he played in their fuller development by later Protestant theologians. In this short study we will consider why Luther thought we need these 'solas.'

Scripture Alone

We begin where Luther begins, with 'sola Scriptura,' the formal principle of all Reformed teaching. We need 'sola Scriptura' because in this dark world of spiritual blindness, 'the only reason we can see at all is that the light of God's Word shines brightly (2 Pet. 1.19).' Without that light 'we would not know or understand anything.' (Works, 6.148) Luther hammered this truth as firmly into his hearers' minds as he hammered the Ninety-five Theses onto Wittenberg Castle Church door. At every opportunity, he calls us away from the spurious claims of Rome, reason, mysticism and the sects, back to the written Word of God. 'We must learn to depend on the visible Word of our invisible and incredible God' (5.183), for 'faith . . . does not judge . . . by what it sees or feels but by what it hears. It depends on the Word alone.' (Sermons, 1905.1.23)

Indeed, the only reason we know that God is present with us is 'through his Word.' To trust in it is to trust in him. So, he resolves: 'God's Word alone will be my rod and staff.' (12.169) 'I will live by what it says.' (22.6)

Luther's heroic stand at Worms can be explained in no other way. In danger of his life from the Roman Catholic emperor Charles V as he recalled John Hus at the Council of Constance; opposed by the papal nuncio Aleander, ready to thunder Rome's anathemas against him; barely supported by Germany's petty princes, hesitant and uncertain of the outcome; Luther refused to be intimidated. When called on to recant, even when no heresy had been proved against him, he replied: 'I am bound to the Scriptures . . . my conscience is captive to the Word of God.' The Bible alone was his sheet anchor during this Satanic storm, as it was throughout his entire life. Thus Luther teaches us that we need the Bible alone because all other testimony is liable to err, and it alone is inerrant.

Faith Alone

Luther hammers home our absolute need of faith as vigorously as he does our total dependence on Scripture. Let us not imagine, however, that with him 'sola fide' was nothing more than belief in God and assent to the articles of the Christian creed. No, it is especially the personal appropriation of Christ and God's gracious promises in him, as given to us in Scripture.

1. Appropriating Christ

Forceful convictions mingle with child-like tenderness in Luther's teaching on appropriating Christ. 'Of what benefit would it be to me,' he cries, 'if Christ had been born a thousand times . . . if I were never to hear that he was born for me?' (Sermons, 1905. I. 149) By contrast he gently affirms: 'My sweet Redeemer is sufficient for me. I shall praise him all my life.' (Letters, 1908. XXIV)

But whether forceful or gentle, Luther is always pointing us - both preachers and hearers - to Christ alone. In preaching, 'Christ should be placed directly before our eyes so that we see and hear nothing apart from him.' In hearing, 'faith is an unswerving gaze that looks on Christ alone.' (26.356)

What could the snake-bitten Jews do to heal themselves? he asks vehemently. Nothing! Moses commanded them to look at 'the bronze snake, which points to Christ (John 3.14) . . . with an unswerving gaze. Those who did so were healed.' Those who did not, but 'looked at their wounds instead . . . died.' So too, we must not pore over our own sins, but 'do nothing but look to him.' In him we see our sins dealt with by his death, and our victory over sin, death and the devil secured by his resurrection. 'This is true faith in Christ and the right way to believe.' (26.356)

2. Appropriating God's Promises

Since 'all God's promises are based on Christ,' to appropriate them is to appropriate him. There is no basic difference between Abraham's faith and ours. The only difference is that 'Abraham believed in the promised Christ who was still to come. We believe in the Christ who has already come. We are all saved' through 'this same faith.' (3.26)

'The Holy Spirit' holds God's promises 'before us so that' we 'may find refuge and comfort' in them when we sense God's anger against us, or when we are assailed by 'serious doubts . . . such as: "What if God does not want me to be saved?" . . . When our consciences are troubled in this way we must continue to believe the promise of salvation - a promise we can trust in and depend on ... We must hang onto God's promise, because if Satan can prevent us believing it, then we have nowhere else to turn. We must hold tightly to the promise and be ready for the times when God will test us.' (4.93) From Joel 2.15, he adds: 'It is wonderful to see the way the Holy Spirit works. He highlights the threat in order to show us the goodness and mercy of God.'

When God-fearing people hear the Word, they apply these promises to themselves in the right way. 'Disheartened and crushed by God's anger and threat of punishment,' knowing 'they deserve divine judgment,' and recognizing 'the seriousness of sin and its condemnation . . . when they hear these promises they turn to God's mercy,' and he calms their consciences. This is the way God works in his people. After terrifying them 'with threats, he comforts them with his promises.' (18.97) And it is the faith he has given them that appropriates these promises for their deliverance.

This kind of faith, and no other, Luther claims, is sufficient for our salvation. Therefore 'we should conclude with Paul [in Galatians 2.16] that we are justified by faith alone . . . faith that takes hold of Christ the Saviour and keeps him in our hearts.' (26.136)

As if to strike one last hammer blow on behalf of faith alone, Luther concludes that without it we cannot understand the Lord's dealings with us at all. But faith 'will comfort me' even 'when I leave this earth . . . My body will be buried in the ground and eaten by worms . .. When I look at death I do not see God's plan for me. Yet God has promised that I will come back to life. Christ said: "Because I live, you will live also" (John 14.19). But how will I live? I will live in eternal life, in a body that is brighter and more beautiful than the sun. I cannot see or feel any of this yet. But I believe it, and I can tolerate the short delay.' (6.401)

We need 'sola fide,' then, because faith is the only thing that lays hold of Christ in the promises of the Word for our salvation.

Grace Alone

Luther has as much to say in defence of 'grace alone' as he has about 'faith alone.' Indeed, he sees it operating in every part of the believer's life. As with other 16th century Reformers, he divides scriptural teaching on it into two parts. The first is God's objective grace, or free, unmerited mercy towards us. The second is his subjective grace infused and working in us.

1. Objective Grace

Objective grace opens the door to our justification. 'People are not justified and do not receive life and salvation because of anything they have done. Rather . . . because of God's grace through Christ. There is no other way.' Those who are tired of hearing this great truth because they learned it when young barely understand how important it is. 'If it continues to be taught as truth, the Christian church will remain united and pure,' for it 'alone makes and sustains Christianity.' It is so essential that 'we will always remain its students, and it will always be our teacher.' Those who really understand it 'hunger and thirst for it. They yearn for it more and more. They never get tired of hearing about it.' (14.36)

Grace is so necessary to our justification that 'wanting to be justified by our own works through the Law is ... throwing away God's grace . . . This is a serious error.' From Galatians 2.21, he infers that to reject salvation by grace alone also makes 'Christ's death . . . pointless, which is the highest blasphemy against God.' (27.240) It is only 'because of God's mercy and grace' that sinners are accepted by him and receive from him a righteousness not their own. (12.328)

This constitutes the glory of the gospel. 'It does not tell us to do good works to become virtuous, but announces God's grace to us, freely given and without our merit.' (30.3)

2. Subjective Grace

Grace becomes subjective when it is infused into sinners' hearts by God's Holy Spirit in their new birth. This is the grace that actually unites them to Christ and makes them new creatures. 'We cannot feel the new birth . . . we cannot see it . . . we cannot . . . understand it.' Yet it is real, and 'we must . . . believe it. What is born of the Spirit is spiritual.' Because it is so, its primary benefit is eternal life. (22.290) Just as after Adam sinned he could do nothing to restore to himself the life he had forfeited, so we too can do nothing towards our restoration to God. (30.263) God himself must restore us. This makes subjective grace absolutely necessary.

Once God's grace has been infused into us, Luther continues, it does marvellous things. For a start, it enables us progressively to keep God's Law, which we could never do before. He who 'brought God's grace and truth' to us (John 1.17) really enables us to keep the commandments. Being 'enlightened by the Holy Spirit, renewed by the Word of God, and having faith in Christ,' we who believe now have 'a new spirit that makes God's Word and God's laws a pleasure to obey.' Moreover, as we proceed through life, it is the same grace that enables us to 'find joy in trusting God above everything else.' (22.143)

It is grace alone too that deals with the darker side of the believer's life. When cast down by sin, fear and doubt, he finds grace at hand to uplift him. Even when, like the psalmist in Psalm 42, 'you see only the Law, sin, terror, sadness, despair, death, hell and the devil . . . grace is present when your heart is restored by the promise of God's free mercy . . . Are not grace, forgiveness of sins, righteousness, comfort, joy, peace, life, heaven, Christ and God also present?' Therefore, say to yourself: 'stop being troubled, my soul . . . Trust God.' 'Whoever truly understands this [i.e. by experience] can be called a theologian.' Grace is thus so necessary that we must be 'diligent students' in its school 'as long as we remain in these sinful bodies.' (26.341)

Finally, when this sin-troubled life is over, it is grace alone that gives believers the victory over death. We do not win it. Rather, it is given us 'out of God's grace.' Christ secured it for us, and we share in his victory over it. (28.212)

From foundation stone to topmost stone, then, the house of salvation is built entirely of grace. Luther states why we need both grace and faith in one sentence: 'If grace or faith is not preached, then no one will be saved, for faith alone justifies and saves.' (27.48)

Christ Alone

'Christ alone' is the next 'sola' that Luther dings into our dull ears. How greatly we need it is evident from the knowledge God gives us of our legalistic, self-righteous hearts. From a wealth of available sources, we select a small sample to illustrate his firm conviction of its necessity.

In a letter defending his attack on papal indulgences, he writes: 'I teach that man must trust solely in Christ Jesus.' (Letters, 1908, London. XXI)

While expounding John 3.16, he says: 'God gave his Son to the lost so that they might be saved. Then what should you do? Nothing! Don't go on pilgrimages. Don't do this or that good work. Instead, simply believe in Christ alone.' (22.374)

A leading aspect of the Holy Spirit's testimony within the believer is that'Christians can depend on nothing except Christ, their Lord and God.' (24.119)

From the expression: 'of his fullness have all we received' (Col. 2.10) Luther deduces that we need no-one else but Christ. Whether our faith is strong or weak, we 'have the same Christ' and 'are all made perfect through faith in him . . . Whoever accepts him has everything.' (23.28)

In such varied ways as these, Luther proclaims a thousand times the sole saving efficacy of Christ. Having done on our behalf all that God requires, he alone can be our Saviour. 'There is no other . . . but Christ alone' (24.48) This is reason enough to hold onto the principle of 'solus Christus.'

The Glory of God Alone

By his constant insistence on believing, it may be suspected that Luther places man's salvation above God's glory. But it is not so. Luther teaches that God is glorified more in man's salvation than in his damnation. This is why God himself - by his prophets, his Son and his apostles - repeatedly beseeches them to come to him.

So, concludes Luther: 'Glory belongs to no-one but God alone.' (Sermons, 1905. I.156)

Chief among Luther's thoughts on how to honour God is that we should hold his Name or character in the greatest reverence. When his Name is 'holy in us . . . God becomes everything, and we become nothing.' (42.27) Everything that threatens to usurp this unique honour is anathema to him.

Inevitably, Luther ascribes equal glory to each Person of the Godhead. All the Father's glory belongs to the Son, who is 'one God together with the Father. Likewise the Holy Spirit has the same divine nature and majesty.' (22.6) When by grace we give God his due, we glorify all three Persons of the Godhead.

The same honour must be given to all God's attributes or perfections. Singling out his goodness and mercy for special treatment, Luther is most practical in showing us how to honour God because of them. When, for example, we read that the Lord is good (Psa. 118.1) we should not 'skim over' this truth 'quickly or irreverently,' but should 'remember that these are vibrant, relevant and meaningful words that emphasize the goodness of God.' Pausing to ponder them should lead us to realize his inclination to do us good 'from the bottom of his heart.' He punishes people only because of their 'wickedness and stubborn refusal to change.' His 'daily and continual goodness' should draw from our grateful hearts the praise and thanks he deserves. (14.47)

Luther makes a special point of encouraging us to 'reflect back on the years of our lives.' Even when we are bewildered by what has happened to us, we should be able to see 'God's wonderful power, wisdom and goodness' guiding us. 'Only when we look back do we fully realize how often God was with us when we neither saw his hand nor felt his presence.' But as Peter says: 'He cares for you.' (1 Pet. 5.7) Luther is so insistent on this practice that he says: 'Even were there no books or sermons to tell us about God, simply looking back on our own lives would prove that he tenderly carries us in his arms. When we look back on how God has led and brought us through so much evil, adversity and danger, we can clearly see the ever-present goodness of God.' (42.130)

As for his mercy, it is the balm of every sin-burdened and guilt-ridden heart. When we by faith hide beneath his mercy seat, we find ourselves 'covered with a vaulted ceiling called mercy.' So, resolves Luther, setting us an example: 'My heart and conscience will crawl under it and be safe.' (51.278)

True to character, Luther extracts from the angels' song at the birth of Christ (Luke 2.13-14) two delightful lessons for us. 'First of all, by joyfully singing about the honour of God, they show how full of light and fire they are.' Furthermore, 'they don't take credit for anything. They enthusiastically give glory to God, the One to whom it belongs. If you wonder what a humble, pure, obedient and happy heart in God is like, then think of the angels praising God. This is their priority as they live in God's presence.' Secondly, they show us how much they love us, because 'they celebrate our salvation as if it were their own.' So we should 'regard them as highly as we would our best friends.' 'We might not know what they are made of,' he concludes with childlike simplicity, 'but we know what their highest desire is.' So we should imitate them in praising and honouring him. (52.29)

Conclusion

Even from the few select references we have offered, it may be clearly seen that the five Reformation Solas' - Scripture, faith, grace, Christ and God's glory - are internally united and therefore inseparable. This is because the mind of God as revealed in Scripture is one. When the Holy Spirit combines them in our experience, we too cannot think of one without referring to the rest. This is the aim of all true theology - to think God's thoughts after him, and so be conformed to his mind. May he accomplish this in us, that we might live by them, and be able to teach others also.


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To: Al Hitan

Exactly ..


81 posted on 05/05/2011 10:10:48 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; Cronos
Exactly ..

What? That Catholics added the New Testament to the canon and that Protestants reject the New Testament canon?

82 posted on 05/05/2011 10:23:50 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

Yep


83 posted on 05/05/2011 4:42:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Cronos; Al Hitan

“In 1534, Martin Luther translated the Bible into German. He grouped the seven deuterocanonical books (Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, and I & II Maccabees) of the Old Testament under the title “Apocrypha,” declaring, “These are books which are not held equal to the Sacred Scriptures and yet are useful and good for reading.” Luther also categorized the New Testament books: “

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0134.html

Luther categorized them the same way Augustine did ,,,, not inspired but suitable for spiritual reading


84 posted on 05/05/2011 4:48:50 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: jjotto

The Jewish canon was the one Christ read from in the temple, the majority of jewish communities used the canon that had been marked as inspired by the prophet Nehemiah ( ..that canon had been set from the days of Nehemiah... )but never officially until there was religious tension between Christianity and Judaism ... just was there was no closed Christian canon before Trent.

The Jews reject the books because they are not inspired, They contain errors and inconsistencies and contradictions even within the same book ...

The OT canon belongs to the Jews, God has never removed it from their care and authority ..Rome had no right to add uninspired books to their canon

“Rabbinic Judaism recognizes the twenty-four books of the Masoretic Text, commonly called the Tanakh or “Hebrew Bible”. Evidence suggests that the process of canonization occurred between 200 BC and AD 200, indeed a popular position is that the Torah was canonized c. 400 BC, the Prophets c. 200 BC, and the Writings c. AD 100[5] perhaps at a hypothetical Council of Jamnia—however this position is increasingly criticised by modern scholars. The book of Deuteronomy includes a prohibition against adding or subtracting (4:2, 12:32) which might apply to the book itself (i.e. a “closed book”, a prohibition against future scribal editing) or to the instruction received by Moses on Mt. Sinai.[6] The book of 2 Maccabees, itself not a part of the Jewish canon, describes Nehemiah (around 400 BC) as having “founded a library and collected books about the kings and prophets, and the writings of David, and letters of kings about votive offerings” (2:13–15). The Book of Nehemiah suggests that the priest-scribe Ezra brought the Torah back from Babylon to Jerusalem and the Second Temple (8–9) around the same time period. Both I and II Maccabees suggest that Judas Maccabeus (around 167 BC) likewise collected sacred books (3:42–50, 2:13–15, 15:6–9), indeed some scholars argue that the Jewish canon was fixed by the Hasmonean dynasty.[7] However, these primary sources do not suggest that the canon was at that time closed; moreover, it is not clear that these sacred books were identical to those that later became part of the canon. “The Men of the Great Assembly”, also known as the Great Synagogue, was, according to Jewish tradition, an assembly of 120 scribes, sages, and prophets, in the period from the end of the Biblical prophets to the time of the development of Rabbinic Judaism, marking a transition from an era of prophets to an era of Rabbis. They lived in a period of about two centuries ending c. 70 CE.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon


85 posted on 05/05/2011 5:08:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Cronos

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2714958/posts?page=85#85


86 posted on 05/05/2011 5:10:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; jjotto
The OT canon belongs to the Jews, God has never removed it from their care and authority ..Rome had no right to add uninspired books to their canon

What support do you have for this assertion? The Church is legitimate heir to the Old Testament through Jesus Christ and His Apostles. Rome added nothing that was not already among the Jewish canons. The Masoretic Text did not exist in its final form until many centuries after Christ.

Rabbinic Judaism recognizes the twenty-four books of the Masoretic Text

Again, the Masoretic Text does not contain the books of Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, and Esther. These books are, however, included in the Protestant canon. Do you disown the Protestant canon?

87 posted on 05/05/2011 5:53:24 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Again, the Masoretic Text does not contain the books of Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, and Esther.

Again, the 'Masoretic text' DOES include the books of Ecclesiastes (Kohelet), Song of Solomon (Shir HaShirim), and Esther.

88 posted on 05/05/2011 6:17:33 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: RnMomof7

Leftist Wiki is not a good source when it comes to anything controversial. Generally, the understanding of a religion is greatly helped by knowing what it says about itself.


89 posted on 05/05/2011 6:20:31 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: RnMomof7

Your claims have no basis in history.
Somewhere between 430 B.C., under Esdras & Nehemiah, and 100 B.C. the O.T. was settled IN HEBREW.
Although there were Greek translations from then until Jerome made a fresh Latin translation, under Pope Damasus, the same collection of books remained.
In his cell in Bethlehem, between 392 and 404, he translated the O.T. into Latin DIRECTLY FROM THE HEBREW!
This is the same O.T. collection decreed by the Council of Trent to be included in the authoritative Bible in 1546.
The Council of Carthage settled the N.T. in 397.
What authority do you claim for Epiphanius and Hilary?


90 posted on 05/06/2011 5:22:08 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: jjotto; RnMomof7
Again, the 'Masoretic text' DOES include the books of Ecclesiastes (Kohelet), Song of Solomon (Shir HaShirim), and Esther.

You are correct about these three books. However, I stand by my earlier claim that the KJV uses the Septuagint (LXX) instead of the Masoretic Text (MT) for the an important prophesies of Christ, including:

Isaiah 7:14
(LXX)-Behold, a virgin will conceive...
(MT)-Behold, a young woman will conceive...
(KJV)-Behold, a virgin will conceive...

91 posted on 05/06/2011 10:22:33 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor; RnMomof7
The OT canon belongs to the Jews, God has never removed it from their care and authority.

If true, this would mean, according to the (non-Septuagint) OT canon and Zakkai's school, Jamnia c.90 A.D. :

Jesus is *not* the Messiah, there is no afterlife reference in the OT, and there's a curse on converts to Christianity.

92 posted on 05/06/2011 11:22:08 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: G Larry
Somewhere between 430 B.C., under Esdras & Nehemiah, and 100 B.C. the O.T. was settled IN HEBREW.

Jerome learned Hebrew in order to translate the OT books for the Latin vulgate after living among the jews he learned the jews did not accept the apocrypha as inspired canon.So when he put together his Latin bible he did not include them in the inspired canon..he placed them in a separate section for readings .

All scripture is written by prophets.. yet in the book of Maccabees the author is clear saying there were no prophets in the land.. also Maccabees like the other apocrypha is not Christocentric ... all the hebrew books were given to the Jews to point to Christ.. yet these greek books lack that quality ...Christ is not found in them as he is in the hebrew bible..

These books contains many errors and contradictions ...God does not author contradictions and error.. He tells us clearly that if a prophet errors then he is no prophet ... so we must draw from that "scripture " that contains errors is not written by a prophet and it is not inspired..

But I think most to the point.. Rome had NO AUTHORITY to determine a canon of the OT ..God tells us plainly that the books were written by Hebrews for hebrews.. They reveal Gods prophetic words to reveal the messiah TO THEM...They are called the oracles of God in this regard..

The OT was written by them and placed in their care..not Rome's

93 posted on 05/06/2011 11:49:01 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; G Larry; Cronos; mas cerveza por favor; D-fendr
". Rome had NO AUTHORITY to determine a canon of the OT ..God tells us plainly that the books were written by Hebrews for hebrews.."

I suppose you would have us believe that Judaism has a central authority that formally declared a canon. That is simply not true. You presume that Palestinian Jews were the only Jews, but there were vibrant, autonomous Jewish communities from Ethiopia to China and Malaysia most recognizing the Septuagint along with a number of other lost books.

94 posted on 05/06/2011 10:06:41 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: RnMomof7; Cronos
Luther categorized them the same way Augustine did ,,,, not inspired but suitable for spiritual reading

Can you please provide a quote where Augustine said they are not inspired.

95 posted on 05/07/2011 8:02:18 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: RnMomof7

Where do you guys get this bit about how Jerome “put them in a separate book for reading”?
That’s simple nonsense!
Where is the indication by Jerome that he didn’t accept them?


96 posted on 05/07/2011 8:05:49 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: G Larry

“In the latter part of the century, Jerome recognizing the differences between the Greek Septuagint and the original Hebrew, began to make translations from the Hebrew text instead of the Septuagint. For that he was soundly criticized by many of his day. But he recognized and argued that the Septuagint was not the inspired originals, and that a more accurate translation would logically be made from the original Hebrew language of the Old Testament from which the Septuagint was taken. Jerome’s translation grew in importance and soon became the accepted Latin version. The version Jerome produced in the 4th century A.D. came to be regarded as the official Scripture of the Roman Catholic Church. But even then (contrary to revised teaching today), it clearly distinguished between the libri eccesiastici and the libri canonici. The Apocrypha was accorded secondary status, and not God inspired Canon for doctrine. At the Council of Carthage (397), which Augustine attended, the decision was to accept the Apocrypha as suitable for reading [still as a lower level then the rest of the Old Testament]. This despite Jerome’s maintaining that they should not be included in the Vulgate. Ironic that the Latin Vulgate remains the basis of the official Roman Catholic Bible, and yet the translator himself (Jerome) denied the Apocrypha as canonical.

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/apoc.html


97 posted on 05/07/2011 8:17:19 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Al Hitan

Augustine agreed with Jerome that they were suitable for spiritual reading but not inspired..

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/apoc.html

Have you ever REALLY read them ? Have you noticed the inconsistencies and errors??


98 posted on 05/07/2011 8:19:27 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law
I suppose you would have us believe that Judaism has a central authority that formally declared a canon.

Yea THEIR CANON

God never removed the authority over that canon to the Gentiles.. That is the word of God to the Jews.. that is Gods covenant with the hebrew people.. Rome had NO AUTHORITY to remake the OT in its image and likeness..

Jesus gave the church the New Testament .. that is His covenant with us.. The OT His covenant with them

Have you ever really studied the Apocrypha ,have you not seen the errors and inconsistencies in them?

One more time... All scripture is written by prophets, Gods word tells us if a prophet errors he is no prophet of God ... and in Maccabees itself it tells us there are no prophets in the land

The books may have some historic interest or background.. but they are not the inspired word of God..

99 posted on 05/07/2011 8:39:30 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
"Yea THEIR CANON

By "their" do you mean some Jews, all Jews, only Palestinian Jews, the exclusion of Ethiopian and Egyptian Jews, people of Jewish ethnicity, or the inheritors of Judaism?

Do you make any accommodations for Orthodox, Reformed, Conservative, Hasidic, Kabbalah, the Pharisees, Sadducees, the Essenes, Therapeutae, Bana'im, Hypsistarians, Hemerobaptists, Maghāriya, Sephardic or the historic Jewish schisms; the Samaritans, Karaite Judaism, Sabbatians and Frankists, Messianic Judaism, Jews for Jesus, or a number of other smaller sects?

How do you account for the recognition of the Talmud and Tanakh as Scripture by many Jewish sects?

100 posted on 05/07/2011 9:25:05 AM PDT by Natural Law
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