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How to Address Priests and Religious: Titles and Signs of Respect [Ecumenical]
St.JoanVV.org ^ | 2002 | Marian Therese Horvat, Ph.D

Posted on 05/02/2011 9:43:40 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Salvation
Confirming this, St. Bonaventure argued that the interior life is acquired and preserved through the exterior. Just as in nature, he said, there is never a tree without its leaves and bark, nor a fruit without its rind or husk to serve as protection, so also interior recollection is preserved by the exterior demeanor and ways of being and treatment. When the exterior fails, the other fails also. (4) The reckless experiment of the last decades after Vatican II has proven the truth of his words.

(4) Alphonsus Rodrigues, S.J., Practice of Perfection and Christian Virtue (Chicago: Loyola Un. Press, 1929) Vol. 2, p. 112-3.

Bolding is mine, but I believe this statement is oh, so true!

21 posted on 05/02/2011 4:20:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Pretty much all the Protestant ministers who refer to themselves as “Reverend” in my town are female, liberal, mainline wishy-washies, or all the above.


22 posted on 05/02/2011 8:25:39 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Salvation

As a Protestant, it’s still difficult to address a Catholic clergy person by those titles.

Often, I just say “pastor”.


23 posted on 05/02/2011 8:28:37 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fred4prez

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_priesthood.html


24 posted on 05/03/2011 12:46:00 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Salvation

At least you can have some satisfaction that the Calvinists are reading your posts. They scour each of them to find a complaint they can make to the moderators. Maybe the contents will eventually sink in.


25 posted on 05/03/2011 1:09:30 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Rashputin
So, tell you kids to stop calling their educators 'teacher' right along with those you call bible teachers, Sunday School teachers, and everything else often listed on announcements of various Protestant gatherings. Or, you could read where Paul said he, "... became your father through the gospel" and admit that there's different usages of the word that are fine with the Apostles and Christ.

It's really funny to see that while | He Who Cannot Be Mentioned | is totally banned the same trash he spews shows up here over and over in spite of having been debunked hundreds of years ago. It's also surprising to see people who claim to believe that the Scripture has everything they need don't really study it all that much but instead apply the Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation to just stick together whatever suits them at any given moment.

I hate to tell you this but what you call trash are the spoken words of Jesus Christ...

Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

26 posted on 05/03/2011 9:12:36 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Salvation
The facts do not berate or belittle Protestants.

What facts???

27 posted on 05/03/2011 9:15:53 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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I hate to tell you, but you can’t read. Once again, we have an example of “Lego Block” approach to anything and everything including Scripture.

The trash is the argument about calling on man Father when the Apostles do that very thing and I’m quite sure you knew before you posted that I have never and would never call Scripture trash. You, on the other hand ...


28 posted on 05/03/2011 10:04:33 AM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Rashputin; Iscool

The thread label has been changed to “ecumenical” meaning NO ANTAGONISM.


29 posted on 05/03/2011 10:12:10 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Rashputin

“And the stone rejected by the builders has become the cornerstone.”

(If we must talk about legos......LOL!)


30 posted on 05/03/2011 5:45:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I never realised until I started learning Polish, that in many languages we don't address priests as Father.

In Polish it is Ksiądż (priest) -- as opposed to Ojciec (father) for example

31 posted on 05/04/2011 1:31:48 AM PDT by Cronos
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I didn't know that. Learn something new every day. One of my aunts married into a big Polish family up in PA and now that you mention it, I don't think anyone ever called the priest Father. Not that I can pronounce any Polish without a struggle, but I think they were using the term you listed as being simply priest.

Those “Hunkies”, as they'd call themselves, were all far different than the common caricature would lead you to believe, that's for sure. We'd visit my aunt when all nine of her husbands brothers and sisters were there, and among the ten of them they had a total of thirteen engineering degrees. They all started at the bottom then worked their way up in the mines or mills, too. Things were so much different in this country back then that I don't know if you can even describe it to young people these days. They really don't have anything similar to use as point of reference. I have great memories of that gang and regret how seldom I get to see those who are still around.

Sorry for the lapse into the OT stuff, but it's interesting to know that the use of "Father" isn't universal since I thought it was.

32 posted on 05/04/2011 2:00:16 AM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Rashputin
Sorry for the lapse into the OT stuff, but it's interesting to know that the use of "Father" isn't universal since I thought it was

Well, no, it was a surprise to me too!

But then I learn new things each month in this country (and slap myself on the head every time I learn another crazy thing about the language!)

for instance, they don't use palms here on palm sunday but a strange mix of leaves bound together!

My wife's family are scary smart -- the wife is a Masters in Economics, her mother a Chemical Engineer, Dad a double Engineering and Economics scholar whose knowledge of history (not only Polish but pretty much global) scares me (I was once reading about some obscure ruler of Albania and he remembered his details off the top of his head), the sister in law is a Phd in Japanese and going for her professorship (one step HIGHER than a Phd) etc. --

The image of Poles as dumb is as silly as the image of Irish as dumb. And I note that both of these stereotypes came up recently in the 18th-20th centuries.

The Irish prior to the 16th century were regarded as intellectuals, poets etc., but post our dear Cromwell, that deteriorated to caricatures where they seemed almost sub-human. Ditto, thanks to the Nazis, the Poles were villified.

It's kind of pointed that some of the freepers here repeat Nazi generated stereotypes.

33 posted on 05/04/2011 2:12:33 AM PDT by Cronos
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I hate to tell you, but you can’t read. Once again, we have an example of “Lego Block” approach to anything and everything including Scripture.

The trash is the argument about calling on man Father when the Apostles do that very thing and I’m quite sure you knew before you posted that I have never and would never call Scripture trash. You, on the other hand ...

Sorry but you are mistaken...

Again, I'll post the words that Jesus said...

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Hey, either you believe God, or you don't...

34 posted on 05/04/2011 4:51:50 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Hey, you agree with your own personal interpretation based on The Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation, while I agree with Saint Paul and everyone since then who wasn't a member of the YOPIS crowd.

So, once more, I'm not mistaken.

35 posted on 05/04/2011 5:00:01 AM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Rashputin

It says what it says...Has nothing to do with interpretation...It’s all to do with believing what you read...


36 posted on 05/04/2011 8:17:48 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Cronos
I never realised until I started learning Polish, that in many languages we don't address priests as Father.

That's exactly what Jesus prescribes...Good to hear they are following Jesus...Do they call the pope the Holy Father???

37 posted on 05/04/2011 8:21:54 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
No, Papież. Both this and Ksiądż are what Poles have always used.
38 posted on 05/04/2011 8:24:05 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Iscool
".Has nothing to do with interpretation."

LOL. Of course it has everything to do with interpretation since everyone other than those who those who chose to interpret things to suit themselves `understands the context.

39 posted on 05/04/2011 11:24:06 AM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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