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To: Colofornian
I am seriously confused as to why the author wants to claim that Mormons to not “have the same understanding” of the crucifixion and resurrection. The atonement and Christ's grace are central points of LDS theology.

Anyone trying to use Easter observation practices as a cause for an argument is simply trying to pick a fight where none needs to exist.

4 posted on 04/22/2011 9:31:39 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Pecos
Anyone trying to use Easter observation practices as a cause for an argument is simply trying to pick a fight where none needs to exist.

Is Christ's death on the cross sufficient for salvation?

7 posted on 04/22/2011 9:40:51 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Some crazy mormon cyber stalker put me on his hate list.)
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To: Pecos
Seriously?
lds do not teach Grace when they use the phrase “after all we can do”. If one has to work for Salvation there is no Grace.
lds teach atonement was in the garden not on the Cross.
Therefore lds do not understand the Crucifixion, Resurrection and Grace.
8 posted on 04/22/2011 9:46:09 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Pecos
I am seriously confused as to why the author wants to claim that Mormons to not “have the same understanding” of the crucifixion and resurrection. The atonement and Christ's grace are central points of LDS theology.

Mark Cares, who runs a ministry reaching out to Mormons, just published a blurb this week where he closes with a quote from a BYU prof about grace: As Robert L. Millet, a BYU professor wrote, “Therefore acting alone, the grace of Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The works of man – the ordinances of salvation, the deeds of service and acts of charity and mercy – are necessary for salvation.” It’s teachings like these that cause us to say that Mormonism is a very dangerous religion.
Source: Does Staying in the Faith Contribute to Salvation?

What did Lds "apostle" Bruce McConkie say about grace? Is it, as grace is defined, a gift from God? Or is it proportionally triggered by man?

Grace is granted to men proportionately as they conform to the standards of personal righteousness... (LDS apostle Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 339)

No, it isn't, Bruce!! Men don't force God's gracious hand!!! (Can you imagine a Mormon leader saying, “An earthly father's Christmas gifts are granted to their children proportionately as they conform to the family standards of personal righteousness”? That would be an outrageous conclusion!) Yet LDSaints don't seem to bat an eyelash over this kind of misunderstanding as to what grace is!

And then another LDS doctrinal reference:And when we obtain ANY blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated. (D&C 130:21)

Once again, the Mormons force God's hand of blessings by pointing to their obedience as the trigger of those blessings, NOT as God's lovingkindness or provision or mercy or grace!

Anyone trying to use Easter observation practices as a cause for an argument is simply trying to pick a fight where none needs to exist.

Mormon doctrine focuses on the Garden as the source of atonement. Did Jesus say, "Pick up your gardening, and follow me?" Why the aversion to the cross?

9 posted on 04/22/2011 9:50:47 AM PDT by Colofornian (Jesus-as-friend doesn't let sinners dive dunk-free; it's good to let Jesus be your designated diver)
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To: Pecos

You asserted, “The atonement and Christ’s grace are central points of LDS theology.” Have you ever actually researched these two aspects in Mormonism, to see just how the LDS change the meaning of The Grace of God in Christ in being born again the moment of trusting in His Grace, and the ‘after-the-fact’ use of the cross rathering fodcusing on the Garden as the atonement focus? I suggest you dig a bit if you wish to defend the vagaries of the non-Christian religion known as Mormonism. You might also research the missuse of baptism in lDS as different from the meaning applied in Christianity.


23 posted on 04/22/2011 10:42:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Pecos

Oh this was back in ‘98!

We are MUCH more OBSERVANT of easty now!

We have LOTS of egg rolls and LOTS of choclate bunnies and LOTS of candy and LOTS of stuffed toys and lots OF....

—MormonDude(and, if we ain’t to busy with church BUSINESS; we’ll even talk about Jesus some!)


66 posted on 04/22/2011 2:48:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pecos

Why because they don’t. P mormons teach the price was paid in the garden not on the Cross, where you not aware of this?
mormons teach that Salvation is earned not of Grace IE “after all you can do”, where you not aware of this?


143 posted on 04/25/2011 7:54:26 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Pecos
The atonement and Christ's grace are central points of LDS theology.

Jesus' atonement was not in the garden, it was on the cross and yes, there is a big difference!

Grace? You should take a look at 2 Nephi 25:23 "after all we can do"! What is "all you can do"?

Jesus' atonement and His grace is insufficient according to Mormon theology!
190 posted on 04/26/2011 3:21:52 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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