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Voris, Corapi, And The Ned Flanderification Of Catholic Commentary
National Catholic Register ^ | Sunday, April 17, 2011 | Pat Archbold

Posted on 04/18/2011 5:16:03 AM PDT by GonzoII

If you are lucky, you may have missed the current debate rippling through the Catholic interwebs. Actually, it is a debate that comes up from time time to time, this time it just happens to involve video provocateur Michael Voris.

Voris contributes to the website RealCatholicTv.com. He produces several videos a week talking about issues related to faith, politics, and culture. No big deal, lots of us speak or write about these subjects every day. What makes Voris a hot topic of debate is mostly style and occasionally a little substance.

Having only watched a handful of Voris’ videos, I do not intend to debate the prudence or sagacity of all his remarks. But I do want to talk about style.

I recently weighed in on a cobbled controversy that popped up after remarks by Voris in which he advised people to run, not walk, from their parish to an orthodox parish if their priest offers a homily, at the request of Al Gore and Global Warming Inc., on the topic greening the planet on Easter Sunday.

Now while Voris’s remedy may be fairly debated, so much of the debate surrounding him is based on his style. Voris you see is loud, in your face, hyperbolic, and sarcastic and as everyone knows—you can’t be like that AND be a good Catholic. Or can you?

Before I go on, I wish to un-tether myself from the specifics of Michael Voris to debate the relative value of “in your face-ness” by Catholic commentators as this has even come up in many of the discussions surrounding the relative love/detestation of Fr. Corapi.

So I ask, what is so wrong with bluntness? With having an opinion and speaking it? Why is it that straightforward criticism is so routinely criticized?

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: corapi; fathercorapi; michaelvoris; voris
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"So why did St. John the Baptist and Jesus sometimes use blunt criticism and hyperbole to make points? Because they knew, as some others do today, that this can be an effective way to reach people. Not everyone can be reached by soothing tones and polite discussion. Sometimes it takes a little more."

No "Ned Flanders types", God bless them, should think their style should rule public discourse. Thinking thus would be leaving a lot of people out in the cold, uncatachized, unedified and unready to be Christians in the middle of the world. Maybe there needs to some mortification of some individuals' sensitivities...well..you know if the shoes fits..I mean, you know, some self reflection so we can all just..well..get along....

MAN UP!! AND GET THE STARCH OUT YER SHORTS!!!


1 posted on 04/18/2011 5:16:08 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

“what is so wrong with bluntness? With having an opinion and speaking it? Why is it that straightforward criticism is so routinely criticized?”

What are you, some kinda Muslim? /s


2 posted on 04/18/2011 6:11:29 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: GonzoII
MAN UP!! AND GET THE STARCH OUT YER SHORTS!!!

AND THE NON-CATHOLICS OUT OF THE VOTING BOOTHS!!!

3 posted on 04/18/2011 7:10:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: GonzoII
Why is it that straightforward criticism is so routinely criticized?

"Hyperbolic and sarcastic" are not the same as "straightforward." ("Loud" is content-neutral.) In my opinion, overwrought language makes it more difficult to determine whether a presenter's content is reasonable and accurate. The speaker should be able to phrase his point in direct, concrete language. If he cannot, then he is simply feeding his ego by slinging verbal hash on Youtube.

Note, this is not a personal comment on Mr. Voris, because I am not aquainted with specifics of his presentation, other than the dead rodent upon his pate.

4 posted on 04/18/2011 7:37:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (If you believe, you will see the glory of God.)
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To: Tax-chick

I needed another “c” in there ...


5 posted on 04/18/2011 7:39:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (If you believe, you will see the glory of God.)
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To: GonzoII

re: Why is it that straightforward criticism is so routinely criticized?

That’s not the reason they are after Voris. They are after him because he is being very successful at getting the message out there that almost all the the bishops are wolves in sheeps clothing, that there is something seriously wrong with the clergy itself.

He is getting the same treatment as all the successful traditionalists have received during the last 50+ years, like Abp. Lefevbre, the SSPX, and Fr. Gruner.


6 posted on 04/18/2011 8:14:52 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Tax-chick
"("Loud" is content-neutral.)"

I don't get it, if your loud about the content of what you're holding forth on then you're passionate about it..you know body-soul combo that men and women are...

7 posted on 04/18/2011 8:16:27 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: Alex Murphy
That would leave few people qualified to vote today, as like maybe 1% of Catholics are real Catholics who live and know the faith. For almost all Catholics, all theyic has to do to be called a Catholic, is having been baptized as an infant. Few of them grow up to be are real Catholics who live and know the faith. I doubt if it's 1% today.
8 posted on 04/18/2011 8:23:54 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: GonzoII

God bless Father Corapi and Voris.

They can afford to be cutting edge commentary. They don’t have a parish to please.


9 posted on 04/18/2011 9:01:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII

“Passion” is also content-neutral. The content is the content, no matter what the presenter’s emotions are. Sarcasm and hyperbole are content.


10 posted on 04/18/2011 9:10:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (If you believe, you will see the glory of God.)
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To: Alex Murphy

troll


11 posted on 04/18/2011 12:55:23 PM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: DarkSavant; Dr. Eckleburg; Uncle Chip; Gamecock; Quix
troll

Now that we've exchanged pings for the first time in four years, you can add my name to your Profile Page....

People I will not respond to:
Dr. Eckleburg
Uncle Chip
Gamecock
Qix

12 posted on 04/18/2011 1:19:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

Okie-Dokie


13 posted on 04/18/2011 1:58:54 PM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: GonzoII; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...
Oh, Dear!

An RC 'Quix?'

Who'd a thunk it possible! /sarc

Obviously, he must be doing it wrong in some respects!

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14 posted on 04/18/2011 2:37:12 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alex Murphy

Do the RC’s get born with thin skins and Olympic class arrogance or do they get both at confirmation?


15 posted on 04/18/2011 2:39:49 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alex Murphy

lolol. “Count it all joy...” 8~)


16 posted on 04/18/2011 3:00:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy; Uncle Chip; Gamecock; Quix

And if the RCC really did want “blunt talking,” they wouldn’t silence all the victims of pederast priests, but instead encourage them to report these crimes to the police.


17 posted on 04/18/2011 3:02:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Plenty true.


18 posted on 04/18/2011 3:28:22 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
Plenty nonsense, as usual.

“The Diocese of Lincoln has in place a very strong program of instruction and training for all priests, religious and lay people in the diocese who are in any way, directly or indirectly, connected with children and youth. There are very careful and thorough background checks done for all people who are employed by the diocese, or by institutions, parishes or agencies which have any connection whatever with the diocese. All people, including all children and youth, are regularly instructed to report any incidents of abuse immediately to law enforcement authorities.
-- Bp. Fabian Bruskewitz, Bishop of Lincoln, Nebraska, quoted here
19 posted on 04/18/2011 5:34:33 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

Good.

How long has that been in place?


20 posted on 04/18/2011 5:44:05 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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