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Report: Human error, inadequate fire alarm contributed to Provo Tabernacle fire (Mormonism)
ABC4 (Salt Lake City) ^ | March 31, 2011

Posted on 04/10/2011 3:21:19 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: Elsie

I’m waiting for you to clear up your agenda.


161 posted on 04/11/2011 4:47:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
I have not been ragging on Mormons or mormonism.

WHAT??

Dunno, I’ve already stated multiple times that Mormonism is not Christian and they are not saved in the eyes of Jesus.

162 posted on 04/11/2011 5:48:26 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: driftdiver
I’m waiting for you to clear up your agenda.

I'm an ANTI-Mormon: is that not CLEAER enough?

What more do you want?


Oh: I don't play defence either.

If I'm accused of someting; I ask to see the evidence. If none is forthcoming, I brush away the accusation as baseless.

If saome IS produced; then I'll deal with it.

163 posted on 04/11/2011 5:51:40 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie

What I said is not “ragging”, its stating an opinion based on the Word of God.


164 posted on 04/11/2011 5:53:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Elsie

You don’t play defense? Meaning you don’t answer questions and are only offensive.


165 posted on 04/11/2011 5:56:24 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Elsie

“they are not saved in the eyes of Jesus. “

You stepped over the line on this one. Salvation doesn’t depend on YOUR interpretation of how someone is Saved.


166 posted on 04/11/2011 6:03:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: driftdiver
What I said is not “ragging”, its stating an opinion based on the Word of God.

So what have I been doing; in your opinion?

167 posted on 04/11/2011 6:20:33 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: AppyPappy

Uh...

that was a DD quote...


168 posted on 04/11/2011 6:21:52 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie

You’ve been asking a lot of questions and getting upset when challenged to answer any questions yourself.


169 posted on 04/11/2011 6:27:50 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

placemarker


170 posted on 04/11/2011 7:05:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ejonesie22

Hey Ejonesie22...I will think about it a bit more because I respect your opinion...magritte


171 posted on 04/11/2011 7:52:35 AM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Elsie

Hmmmmm....evil ? I don’t recall using that phrase...”misguided” perhaps? Your other comments are some of your typical non-sequiturs ...magritte P.S. I always enjoy your use of all-caps on certain words...it’s a hoot...


172 posted on 04/11/2011 7:58:49 AM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: AppyPappy
Salvation doesn’t depend on YOUR interpretation of how someone is Saved.

You are correct, but it does depend on how God sees it and on this he has been rather direct and clear. "Interpretation" is not really needed. Somethings are rather obvious.

173 posted on 04/11/2011 8:06:01 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: driftdiver; MHGinTN; SENTINEL; ejonesie22
"How many have you converted?"

It's not a matter of being "converted" per se, more like being educated and shown the dichotomies present within mormonism that illustrate the falseness of the doctrine.

If one is seeking the truth, then one doesn't run from debate or confrontation. One embraces it and then works to prove it incorrect. Since I couldn't prove it incorrect, what I had believed previously was therefore incorrect.

Was I converted? I guess you could say I was de-converted from mormonism. An apostate of the highest order now. Looked upon and treated with the disdain deserving of one who persists in engaging in the mormonISM discussions/debates.

Do I go with my heart or my head? We've been warned about that, the heart will lead man to destruction.

As to the missionaries, I don't know of any Christian missionaries who go out into the world telling all the other Christians that their religion is apostate, and that only they have the "restored gospel©" as the mormons do.

Christian missionaries typically focus on spreading the gospel among folks who have never heard it before, not, as a systemic effort to convert others into another belief system like the mormons do.

Christians are usually just plain happy to get someone to walk in the Lord, not join a religion or church.

174 posted on 04/11/2011 8:06:06 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SZonian

“As to the missionaries, I don’t know of any Christian missionaries who go out into the world telling all the other Christians that their religion is apostate, and that only they have the “restored gospel©” as the mormons do.”

They all do, perhaps they use better language but the message is there. There is but one narrow path to salvation.


175 posted on 04/11/2011 8:11:01 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

There is clarification when necessary and correction when the quite clear clarification has been given. Apparently you weren’t satisified with either. Thats too bad, because you just denegrate your point of views here.


176 posted on 04/11/2011 8:17:44 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ejonesie22

For instance, I am a Methodist but I do not follow all the beliefs of Methodism. My wife’s uncle died a Mormon but did not attend a Mormon church.

I agree that Mormonism is not Christianity but that doesn’t mean that a Mormon cannot truly know Christ as his savior.

Case in point: A friend of mine grew up in the Baptist Church and was Saved at 14. He later married a Mormon and joined the Mormon church. He and his wife divorced and he went back to being a Baptist. Was his Salvation “postponed” during the Mormon time?


177 posted on 04/11/2011 8:18:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: driftdiver
"They all do, perhaps they use better language but the message is there."

I challenge that assertion and here's why.

I had a couple of young men from one of the larger Baptist congregations in the area stop by one morning. We had a pleasant chat about their message and invitation to come to services.

Not once, did they mention anything that would indicate to me that my beliefs/church were "apostate", that there had been "a great falling away", if you will.

We were brothers in Christ who held the same views of God and Jesus. How do I know that for certain? Well, I listen to their Pastor's messages on one of the local Christian radio station. It's as if I'm attending services there, yet I attend a Grace Chapel.

Yes, there is "but one narrow path to salvation". Unfortunately, the mormons are engaged in a road widening project with all of the extra "ordinances" they require for "exaltation".

178 posted on 04/11/2011 8:36:54 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: AppyPappy; ejonesie22
I agree that Mormonism is not Christianity but that doesn’t mean that a Mormon cannot truly know Christ as his savior.

You make a good point here pappy. A former mormon, Shawn McCraney (www.hotm.tv) makes a similar point. However, because of the overwhelming unchristian doctrines of mormonism, it is unlikely that a mormon who knows Christ as his savior (in the Christian sense) can really stay within mormonism very long. This is because mormonism doesn't emphasize this, but emphasizes works and attaining godhood.

179 posted on 04/11/2011 8:39:08 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: SZonian

The Mormon road isn’t leading to the same destination as the Christians.

30 years ago Christians used the same message, accept Christ or die and spend eternity burning in hell. Thankfully, Christians have learned to better communicate and are saving more people.

The Bible warns us of false teachers and churches which lead believers astray. The Bible indicates we are each to be wary lest we follow one of them.


180 posted on 04/11/2011 8:42:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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