Posted on 03/29/2011 3:19:02 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
I did not ping you about this thread, so I don’t understand your comment, but I am confused.
Why are my comments attracting your attention if this is an open thread where posters can argue as they wish?
This thread that I was pinged to is posted as “(Real Mormon/LDS)”. Doesn’t that mean that this is a caucus thread?
If not how does one identify a caucus thread?
Also, are you a single person or many people posting as the RM?
Isn’t it marked (REAL Mormon/LDS) showing it to be a caucus thread?
If it is an open thread then have at it.
The LDS cannot appropriate what's rightfully theirs. No one owns the name Christian as has already been demonstrated. There are many varieties of Christian.
That you have a specific meaning in mind doesn't delimit the LDS from calling themselves and being Christians.
Thoughtful people can judge that Christianity is either a belief in a specific set of doctrines or the actions that come from that specific belief. There isn't another choice.
What you name as demeaning "Christianity" is self-referencing. What one might say instead is that the LDS don't believe in the Christianity that Greyfoxx39 believes in and that is patently obvious. That one person's beliefs demeans another is the argument that homosexuals, race-baiters, race-mongers and their liberal/progressive enablers use to enforce their thinking on a whole society.
One can see that this type of thought-policing isn't healthy whether it is espoused by liberals or conservative "Christians". Americans believe in freedom of thought and extend to their well-behaved fellows a Respect for Conscience. That's my reference point.
It's what makes our country so special.
Here's the definition I was thinking of:
Jew-baiting n active persecution or harassment of Jews Jew-baiter n
So if one were to insert Mormon or LDS it would read, "LDS-baiting n active persecution or harassment of LDS Mormon-baiter n"
Now I am not mind reading, simply observing and drawing logical conclusions.
That's called science. Primitives don't ask why it rains. It takes a level of sophistication to make a hypothesis from observation. Next I'll test my hypothesis.
Ah yes, mormons abused the caucus label several months ago and they were no longer allowed to post caucus threads.
It has been an open thread from its creation.
That’s a thoughtful observation on your part. Let’s look at it from another perspective.
It would be just as easy to argue that Christianity hijacked Judaism, took its book (OT), perverted the true Messiah [Savior] (who hasn’t come yet), created a man made cult which follows non-Jewish teachings like the Trinity and they use a fictional set of scriptures (NT) to maintain their point. They slander the Messiah, his mission and Judaism.
That applies here. I expect you to believe as best you can and practice that belief. I can respect your conscience. It causes me no harm.
(BTW - I am under the impression that this is an LDS caucus thread we are posting to)
In what way do they lie about Jesus Christ?
I didn’t know that. Why is this thread posted to the LDS caucus then?
The “REAL Mormon/LDS” was used by the poster to identify his posts from ones “anti’s” post drawing from the same sources (usually Ensign, etc) It is a pseudo-caucus label.
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I read as many of the Religion Forum posts as I can and intervene as needed.
Persecution? Really? Who? How? When?
Sorry, but very actually few individuals are "persecuted" in the U.S. -- especially when you contrast that to what goes on 'round the world.
With some exceptions, it's been my experience that Americans who toss out that word lightly are spoiled brats who have such an ethnocentric view of the world -- they have little comprehension of what true persecution has been either geographically or historically.
So you likewise contend then that "No one owns the" religious identity of "Jew" and "there are many varieties of Jews"?
They say Jesus is the Spirit bro of Satan.
They say Jesus is a "saved being."
They say when Jesus died thousands & thousands of people were immediately killed by Jesus or God in related natural disasters -- drowned or buried alive.
They say Jesus is not worthy of worship -- when even their own sacred books disagree with that.
They say Jesus is not worthy to be prayed directly to -- when even their own sacred book disagrees with that.
They say Jesus is not uniquely divine...that all kinds of gods preceded him...and up to millions of gods will rival him.
They say that Jesus wasn't divine from eternity past...that he rose out out of simply being an intelligence...but not divine.
They say Jesus is the Spirit bro of Satan.
They say Jesus is a "saved being."
They say when Jesus died thousands & thousands of people were immediately killed by Jesus or God in related natural disasters -- drowned or buried alive.
They say Jesus is not worthy of worship -- when even their own sacred books disagree with that.
They say Jesus is not worthy to be prayed directly to -- when even their own sacred book disagrees with that.
They say Jesus is not uniquely divine...that all kinds of gods preceded him...and up to millions of gods will rival him.
They say that Jesus wasn't divine from eternity past...that he rose out out of simply being an intelligence...but not divine.
Actually....
jesus.christ.org
Has been glommed onto by the MORMONs!
Um, no my stunt Mormon friend...
Two problems with that concept.
First Jesus is the Messiah as foretold so that concludes that point. That there were Jews who decided not to follow him despite that was their choice and we Christians respect that. We do witness to them as we can but that is another matter.
Second, and most important to the point we do not refer to ourselves as Jews. We are a wholly different group due to the new covenant, we do not represent ourselves as Judaism in any form.
The fictional scriptures piece is a given. The BOM is wholly made up and contains fictional characters and places. The NT has transcripts and original source materials, and the people places and things of the NT are known by even those outside the faith. One does not have to look far to find Cesar or Rome or Jerusalem.
I have no issue with individual practicing their belief, worship the tooth fairy for all I care. But if you call the tooth fairy Jesus Christ, rewrite his story and claim it Christianity and start a Church based on that then yes, I do have an issue with the new religion.
If you haven't any teef;
Up above or beneef;
You can gum it with your gummy gum gums!
EAT FOOD!
The only thing that is "rightfully" mormon is the heritage of being birthed by a lying, adulterous charlatan who hated Christianity. The belief that men may become gods demeans Christ in pretending that HE had to "work His Way" up through the silly "covenants" that mormonism pretends God is bound to obey.
Your statement, "That one person's beliefs demeans another is the argument that homosexuals, race-baiters, race-mongers and their liberal/progressive enablers use to enforce their thinking on a whole society" is laughable when tryng to defend mormonism, a cult that pretends to be the "only way to salvation" while attempting to weasel its way into being seen by Christianity as legitimate. Mormonism's dream is to enforce it's thinking on the whole world Flooding the Earth with the Book of Mormon and that dream is failing.
I believe that the coming months will see the effect of the multi-million dollar PR campaign of "mormons are Christian" when Romney and Huntsman are rejected soundly. The mormon church is wrong in believing that playing footsie with muslims will enhance the reputation it already has, and in thinking the current "kumbaya" moment by some religions includes it. Mormonism will still be seen as the redneck apology for Joseph Smith's lecherous polygamy...that label will never go away.
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