Comparing LDS Beliefs with First-Century Christianity (REAL Mormon / LDS)

LDS.org ^ | Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen D. Ricks

[Elsie]

DANG but you make me DROOL!

[Utah Binger]

Here's a tractor for you.

[Vendome]

What?!!!

You mean they now involved in property Development?

Fine! I need some Tenant Improvement at my office.

How do get some loot?

LOL

[Vendome]

Dangit!

I need to remember to proof my musings before I post so my grammar is correct.

Oh well.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[Elsie]

bttt

[roylene]

I’ll give you a $1,000 if you just leave.

[1010RD]

At what point does ‘Respect for Conscience’ enter into the equation?

Does baiting the LDS, pinging them, etc. constitute a discussion or a brawl?

From what I’ve seen the anti-Mormons are simply looking for a brawl. It is the ugliest face of Christianity.

Respect their beliefs and move on. They’ve rejected your message, will you force them to it?

[greyfoxx39]

From what I’ve seen the anti-Mormons are simply looking for a brawl. It is the ugliest face of Christianity.

Spoken in the tone of progressives who believe in "we should all just get along".

As long as mormons continue to spread the big lie about "the Great Restoration" and idolize Joseph Smith as a "prophet", we will continue to bring the truth to light.

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an Pro-Christian group of people here that spends a great deal of their time posting factual articles from various sources about the LDS church.  Many of the articles come from the official site, LDS.org.

They have a calling to contend for Jesus Christ. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. They will rebut the fallacies in the original mormon article with true Biblical facts, and provide the URLs to them so that you too may read them for yourselves. They will also present conflicting statements from different LDS leaders with the attending source to these statements, usually historical documents or scriptures.

LDS persons SAY they have no issue whatsoever having their scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is usually not true. LDS persons,  including their 52,000 missionaries, with influence from their highest leaders do not WANT their beliefs presented "fairly" and especially not "accurately".  That is why they will use every tactic to prevent the pro-Christian material that rebuts claims presented by the LDS church from coming to light

Another favorite tactic of the Pro-Christian group is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma, yet in many cases present doctrine that many LDS members are unaware of.

That's a Christlike thing to do right?  It does speak volumes about them .

Some of the Pro-Christians bring special witness to you as being former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would be in a good position to carry the message of their own experience. 

 The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. The Pro-Christian group wishes to see that any gain in membership in the LDS church is done with the new applicant for membership having FULL KNOWLEDGE of the requirements, promises and arcane beliefs that they are becoming a part of.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" the Pro-Christians seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to bring to you the difference between your original concept of mormonism and what it actually is....a fraud perpetrated by a con man, adulterer and thief.

The goal of the Pro-Christian group is to provide you with tools to investigate a sect that spends millions and millions each year to spread its false message, so that you can question the clever lies and attempts to co-opt the message of real Christianity.

 Read the articles posted from mormon sources, question the belief therein, ask questions of the Pro-Christians and PRAY WITH THEM FOR GUIDANCE.  Do NOT fall into the trap presented by mormons to "read the Book of Mormon and pray to find if it is true".  It will be presented in a way that appeals to your senses, rather than your ability to study the Bible, compare it to the Book of Mormon and use your own good common sense to decide if God did indeed yank His Gospel from the Earth,  wait centuries, then choose a young man with a doubtful past to "restore" it.  There is no need for a "Restoration of the Gospel".  There is no need for earthly temples in which to take part in masonic rituals to gain salvation.  So again, seek the truth.  Use your God-given brain and discernment.

John 6:40 (American Standard Version)  "For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." You cannot "work" your way, or "worthy" your way to Salvation.

Be wary. If you "seek" on the internet, be aware that the LDS church has a very heavy presence there, and in fact one of its groups boasts of having over 300 websites filled with mormon proselytizing. Unfortunately, "Jesus Christ.org" is one domain owned by the LDS church and is very misleading.   If you visit there, be aware you are not seeing the true Christian message.

Here are only two links that will help you get started 

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 2"

Any one of the Flying Inmans will be happy to answer questions and provide links to help you along the way. p>

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an Pro-Christian group of people here that spends a great deal of their time posting factual articles from various sources about the LDS church.  Many of the articles come from the official site, LDS.org.

They have a calling to contend for Jesus Christ. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. They will rebut the fallacies in the original mormon article with true Biblical facts, and provide the URLs to them so that you too may read them for yourselves. They will also present conflicting statements from different LDS leaders with the attending source to these statements, usually historical documents or scriptures.

LDS persons SAY they have no issue whatsoever having their scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is usually not true. LDS persons,  including their 52,000 missionaries, with influence from their highest leaders do not WANT their beliefs presented "fairly" and especially not "accurately".  That is why they will use every tactic to prevent the pro-Christian material that rebuts claims presented by the LDS church from coming to light

Another favorite tactic of the Pro-Christian group is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma, yet in many cases present doctrine that many LDS members are unaware of.

That's a Christlike thing to do right?  It does speak volumes about them .

Some of the Pro-Christians bring special witness to you as being former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would be in a good position to carry the message of their own experience. 

 The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. The Pro-Christian group wishes to see that any gain in membership in the LDS church is done with the new applicant for membership having FULL KNOWLEDGE of the requirements, promises and arcane beliefs that they are becoming a part of.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" the Pro-Christians seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to bring to you the difference between your original concept of mormonism and what it actually is....a fraud perpetrated by a con man, adulterer and thief.

The goal of the Pro-Christian group is to provide you with tools to investigate a sect that spends millions and millions each year to spread its false message, so that you can question the clever lies and attempts to co-opt the message of real Christianity.

 Read the articles posted from mormon sources, question the belief therein, ask questions of the Pro-Christians and PRAY WITH THEM FOR GUIDANCE.  Do NOT fall into the trap presented by mormons to "read the Book of Mormon and pray to find if it is true".  It will be presented in a way that appeals to your senses, rather than your ability to study the Bible, compare it to the Book of Mormon and use your own good common sense to decide if God did indeed yank His Gospel from the Earth,  wait centuries, then choose a young man with a doubtful past to "restore" it.  There is no need for a "Restoration of the Gospel".  There is no need for earthly temples in which to take part in masonic rituals to gain salvation.  So again, seek the truth.  Use your God-given brain and discernment.

John 6:40 (American Standard Version)  "For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." You cannot "work" your way, or "worthy" your way to Salvation.

Be wary. If you "seek" on the internet, be aware that the LDS church has a very heavy presence there, and in fact one of its groups boasts of having over 300 websites filled with mormon proselytizing. Unfortunately, "Jesus Christ.org" is one domain owned by the LDS church and is very misleading.   If you visit there, be aware you are not seeing the true Christian message.

Here are only two links that will help you get started 

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 2"

Any one of the Flying Inmans will be happy to answer questions and provide links to help you along the way. p>

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an Pro-Christian group of people here that spends a great deal of their time posting factual articles from various sources about the LDS church.  Many of the articles come from the official site, LDS.org.

They have a calling to contend for Jesus Christ. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. They will rebut the fallacies in the original mormon article with true Biblical facts, and provide the URLs to them so that you too may read them for yourselves. They will also present conflicting statements from different LDS leaders with the attending source to these statements, usually historical documents or scriptures.

LDS persons SAY they have no issue whatsoever having their scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is usually not true. LDS persons,  including their 52,000 missionaries, with influence from their highest leaders do not WANT their beliefs presented "fairly" and especially not "accurately".  That is why they will use every tactic to prevent the pro-Christian material that rebuts claims presented by the LDS church from coming to light

Another favorite tactic of the Pro-Christian group is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma, yet in many cases present doctrine that many LDS members are unaware of.

That's a Christlike thing to do right?  It does speak volumes about them .

Some of the Pro-Christians bring special witness to you as being former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would be in a good position to carry the message of their own experience. 

 The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. The Pro-Christian group wishes to see that any gain in membership in the LDS church is done with the new applicant for membership having FULL KNOWLEDGE of the requirements, promises and arcane beliefs that they are becoming a part of.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" the Pro-Christians seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to bring to you the difference between your original concept of mormonism and what it actually is....a fraud perpetrated by a con man, adulterer and thief.

The goal of the Pro-Christian group is to provide you with tools to investigate a sect that spends millions and millions each year to spread its false message, so that you can question the clever lies and attempts to co-opt the message of real Christianity.

 Read the articles posted from mormon sources, question the belief therein, ask questions of the Pro-Christians and PRAY WITH THEM FOR GUIDANCE.  Do NOT fall into the trap presented by mormons to "read the Book of Mormon and pray to find if it is true".  It will be presented in a way that appeals to your senses, rather than your ability to study the Bible, compare it to the Book of Mormon and use your own good common sense to decide if God did indeed yank His Gospel from the Earth,  wait centuries, then choose a young man with a doubtful past to "restore" it.  There is no need for a "Restoration of the Gospel".  There is no need for earthly temples in which to take part in masonic rituals to gain salvation.  So again, seek the truth.  Use your God-given brain and discernment.

John 6:40 (American Standard Version)  "For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." You cannot "work" your way, or "worthy" your way to Salvation.

Be wary. If you "seek" on the internet, be aware that the LDS church has a very heavy presence there, and in fact one of its groups boasts of having over 300 websites filled with mormon proselytizing. Unfortunately, "Jesus Christ.org" is one domain owned by the LDS church and is very misleading.   If you visit there, be aware you are not seeing the true Christian message.

Here are only two links that will help you get started 

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 2"

Any one of the Flying Inmans will be happy to answer questions and provide links to help you along the way. p>

[1010RD]

You've ignored the first part of my post:

At what point does ‘Respect for Conscience’ enter into the equation?

Does baiting the LDS, pinging them, etc. constitute a discussion or a brawl?

Jew-baiting wouldn't be tolerated for one second by a Christian.

Why is LDS-baiting tolerated?

[Religion Moderator]

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[greyfoxx39]

Jew-baiting wouldn't be tolerated for one second by a Christian.

Jews aren't spending millions of dollars on PR campaigns trying to co-opt the name "Christian" after nearly two centuries of demeaning Christianity by leaders and members alike. If they were, be assured that the Pro-Christians would be objecting.

[Godzilla]

At what point does ‘Respect for Conscience’ enter into the equation?

Goes to the function of the forum 10. Note who posted the article (a mormon) from a source (mormon) that claims mormonism is 1st century Christianity today. That claim can be legitimately challenged - this is an open forum. Secondly, there is no reverse 'respect for conscience' being extended to the Christians - that is a two edged sword that would have precluded the article from being posted to begin with.

Finally, since the article was posted by a MORMON, I find the claim that it is 'baiting LDS' to be rather lame - LDS baiting LDS? No, were you to examine the history, this was a case of LDS baiting Christians.

[Colofornian]

Jew-baiting wouldn't be tolerated for one second by a Christian. Why is LDS-baiting tolerated?

And, of course, this all depends upon how you define "baiting."

In the best sense of the word, "baiting" has a fishing connotation. Jesus said, "I will make you fishers of men"; hence 'tis nothin' wrong with that.

Somehow, I don't think you mean it that way -- but rather than assume -- and read minds -- like you might be doing...I'll ask you: "How do you mean 'baiting'?"

Because if you mean it in the worst sense of the word, that means you're superimposing a motivation upon posters...a motivation that unless you are inside of them, tell us, how would you know -- other than if you're a mind-reader?

Do you read motivations of the internal mind? If so, how? But please, if you mean this in the best sense of the word, tell us, and then proceed to inform us why evangelizing both Jews and Mormons shouldn't be tolerated according to online edicts from 1010RD?

[ejonesie22]

While I would debate the idea of “baiting” there is a clear reason that the LDS are under scrutiny verses other religions.

The Jewish people follow their own religion not one stolen whole or in part from another. While we may disagree on matters of God, the Jews do not pretend to be Christians, do not use or reference the Savior for their own ends not add fictional or other meanings to established scriptures.

The LDS is a man made cult that declares itself clearly and plainly as a true and better version of Christianity while at the same time most certainly follows unchristian ideas such as polytheism and promotes fictional scriptures to maintain its point. They slander the Savior and his mission and misrepresent themselves daily.

To expect any true Christian who loves and respects their Savior and has a good knowledge of the LDS stands for to not call out such is nothing short of ridiculous.

[roylene]

Why is LDS-baiting tolerated?

Why don't LDS stop lying about Jesus Christ?

[Elsie]

Does baiting the LDS, pinging them, etc. constitute a discussion or a brawl?

These are the ONLY choices?

How nice of you to frame the argument so, so, so NARROWLY.

[Elsie]

Does baiting the LDS, pinging them, etc. constitute a discussion or a brawl?

But since MORMONs canNOT discuss and they seem to always LOSE the brawl; why do they even WASTE THEIR TIME in these threads?

Why do YOU?

[Elsie]

Does baiting the LDS, pinging them, etc. constitute a discussion or a brawl?

We're too poor to afford STATUES and we're to OLD to go out poundiong on doors.

What do YOU suggest we do to get the message that MORMONism is a Christian heresy out?

[Elsie]

Why is LDS-baiting tolerated?

They love the taste of the worms?