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To: daniel1212; WPaCon; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg
Actually, evangelicals do most universally concur on truths which have been held of old which have sound Scriptural warrant and conflation, such as are expressed in the Apostles Creed

Rot -->do you not read what your friends Dr. Eckleburg and GAmecock's groups say about you Pentecostals?

OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals from the OPC doctrinal website
{the OPC} sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today.

This is a very serious error (of the Pentecostals). In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.

OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Methodists: From the opc doctrinal website:
. Are Arminian (Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist etc) preachers heretics? yes
. Is Arminianism (Methodism, Pentecostalism, Baptists) a damnable heresy? Yes.
. the teachings of Arminianism are contrary to Scripture, they are manifestly false. They are serious perversions of the gospel of Jesus Christ
"we see the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism" (accusing Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. who disagree with Calvin of preaching a gospel of Satan

Maybe we can ask Gamecock if he agrees with the statement (click the link): "This goes to what the Reformers taught; that is the "enthusiasts" or what we call today Pentecostals, are really no different from the Roman Catholics

Or maybe you agree with Dr. Eckleburg when she says that The problem with non-denominational churches is that there's nothing to stop the congregation from deciding to become Mormon or Unitarian, etc.
There is something to be said for a diagonal form of church structuring, like the Presbyterians -- organized by a representative group of congregants. This actually strengthens the Christian imperative rather than dilutes it as so many non-denominational churches tend to do.

Do you agree with them on these two things?

775 posted on 03/28/2011 7:48:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Palin: 2012)
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To: Cronos; WPaCon; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg

Thanks for the info, but many RCs (even some on FR) disagree with tongue-talking RC charismatics, and have many other disagreements, even over who is a true and saved RC, and about what is infallible and what things like Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means as regards salvation, as well as the officially unresolved theological conflicts in Catholicism, including the freedom of the will?

The point, which you missed or ignored, is that even if one is a steward and teacher of Scripture that does not render infallible. As for unity, you either have a unity of cults which is by implicit assent to “infallible authority” or one based upon identification with a particular church and culture, or which depends upon Scriptural “manifestation of the truth,” but which must allow for disagreement.

And if the issue is unity, then cults (which include the SDA and OPs) exhibit the greatest unity based upon the first model, while on the popular level RCs are more liberal like mainline Prots, and do not overall evidence a greater unity than evangelicals, despite their differences.


906 posted on 03/28/2011 2:15:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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