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You have carved up and distorted my statements, omitted and ignored salient points, and written a screed attacking The entire church over the alleged actions of just a few.....

I did NOT carve up and distort your statements - I copied them EXACTLY as written and I omitted and ignored nothing! Thanks for showing when presented with truth the 'let's flip it and say things were omitted and distorted' tactic is needed. That's the catholic rational way to deal with an opposing view.

I don't mind discussing this with rational people, but I have given up arguing with the irrational for Lent.

IMO, it's more like you can't handle my rational when presented along side your comments as it took the winds out of your sail and can't comment is more like it. But true to catholic form, it's someone else's fault. And true to catholic form, any comment not aligned with theirs is considered ARGUING. That's where they get their 'anti' - everyone against them - agree w/me or you are not rational.

How rational is it saying ..just a few? In this case alone, there are 37 priests. How many more would be needed to breakthrough your 'just a few' thresh hold?

And true to catholic form, it's all about the church and not a word about the victims. Can't have all this evil within the church taint the church. So much for the lenten season - truly, it's just business as usual. No substance, everything for appearance sake.

When and if you become a rational person, get back to me.

When and if you accept the severity of covering up crimes and sins, when 37 is not just a few, and when perpetrators and enablers are no longer seen as victims, when seeing your EXACT words posted is not carving up or distorting - you can speak of rational.

May God Bless you.

And yet you say It is all about personal accountability to God for our actions. Apparently, you know little of that which you demean.

For appearance sake in play. However, He has blessed me as I walk in His blessings daily as I take His Word as THE Final Authority.

Smokin' Joe: don't expect a rational conversation. These are folks who say that the Apostles were not blessed since they saw Jesus Christ saying He saw, then believed. Doesn't take anything but having one's eyes opened. Jesus doesn't say he was blessed at all! -- of course, they believe that only they in their church of one are "blessed" -- these guys are loons, church of one types who believe that they alone are the prophets, the elders, the grand-poobahs.

They are frustrated that no one joins their mad group except the cat from next door, so they vent their bile on the internet.

It is merely the opinion of the sad mad preacher with presently no clue in the Church of one, he has decided for himrself that Christ's teaching in the Church are wrong.

He refuses to acknowledge that he was led to the Bible by someone and someone has taught him the meaning of what he has read. It’s a fact, not one of us is an island when it comes to faith.

He refuses to acknowledge that he learned your creed somewhere and regardless of his Capitalizing every other word, it remains presently his opinion.

I don’t hold that against you and I would never accuse him of following demons for rejecting the tenets of my faith. But, that is what he does to us. It is unconscionable and unChristian to say the least.

So, unless God himself comes down and tells me that presently no screen name is the final and highest authority, I will continue to grasp onto the faith I have found in my own heart to be the true faith .

It is common for those of your ilk to say that I and other Catholics are spoonfed what to believe and what to say in defense of our faith and so that holds no weight with me as your remarks are as predictable as the day is long. It must be too galling to admit that we, like many Catholics here on FR, actually read and think about what we believe and why. We have found that our hearts and minds and souls are with Christ in His Church, Christ’s church, the Catholic Church.

If you, presently no no believe that the Holy Spirit would allow an honest seeker of Him to be led by demons, then you are calling Jesus a liar.

Yes, I use the word hate and it is hate that would cause someone to say that another Christian is demonic for their beliefs just because you happen to disagree with them.

How rational is it saying ..just a few? In this case alone, there are 37 priests. How many more would be needed to breakthrough your ‘just a few’ thresh hold?

It’s that rubberized Vatican math text at work again.

Only for the white hanky initiated to understand, of course.