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Catholic Sex Abuse Hearing Descends Into `Shut Up' Order and Charge of 'Abomination'
Courthouse News Service ^ | March 25, 2011 | Reuben Kramer

Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

At an intensely combative and vitriolic hearing Friday afternoon in a sex-abuse case that has shaken the Philadelphia Archdiocese to its core, a state court judge shocked one priest's defense attorney by disclosing that the government thinks he might be a witness as a former seminarian and could be disqualified from the case. The lawyer, who represents one of three current and former Roman Catholic priests charged with raping boys in their parish, fired back that prosecutors were being "anti-Catholic" and had uttered an "abomination."

Judge Renee Cardwell Hughes told defense attorney Richard DeSipio that she's received information that "might make you, in fact, a witness because of events that occurred while you were a seminarian."

The information "stems from the fact that you attended the seminary with a student who asserts he was abused," Hughes said, adding that DeSipio "may possess factual knowledge about abuse that occurred with that student."

She added that the substance of the claim that DiSipio witnessed something is still unclear. "I just don't know if it's true," Hughes said. "I really don't know if it's true."

Yelling and visibly upset, DeSipio demanded that the government, then and there, identify the source of the allegation. "Let them spill it out right now!" DeSipio demanded.

"How dare they send you a letter about that," DeSipio said, referring to the district attorney's office. "That's an abomination."

Prosecutors said only that part of DeSipio's seminary training overlapped with the tenure of a senior clergyman accused of endangering children by failing to protect them from priests with a known history of abuse.

Monsignor William Lynn, now pastor of St. Joseph Church in Downingtown, Pa., is reportedly the highest-ranking member of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States ever to be charged with child endangerment. Between 1984 and 1992, he served as dean of men at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Wynnewood, Pa., according to his biography on St. Joseph's website. As the secretary for clergy for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia from 1992 to 2004, Lynn acted as personnel director for priests. He is accused of ignoring reports of abuse, covering up for them and putting children in danger.

"They are anti-Catholic. I'll say it," DiSipio fumed. "[The district attorney is] attacking me as a Catholic!"

The judge rejected DiSipio's claim. "Attack you? You attacked me! You don't even know me!" Hughes said, referring to a prior argument over the necessity of a preliminary hearing, another hotly contested issue Friday afternoon.

"Mr. DeSipio, I suggest you shut up," Hughes said. "People are coming from out of the woodwork [to provide information to the commonwealth.]"

If the government can prove the allegation is credible in 30 days, DeSipio will be disqualified as the archdiocese's attorney.

"You can change lawyers now, you can change lawyers in 30," the judge warned DeSipio's client, the Rev. James Brennan. "[But] there are some conflicts that are not waivable."

DeSipio argued that the 30-day investigation was "really unfair to Father Brennan," given his mounting legal costs.

Judge Hughes was livid that DeSipio spoke up again. "If you open your mouth one more time I am going to have the sheriff take you out of here," she told DeSipio.

As DeSipio continued to argue, Hughes said she might have him "locked up and held in contempt." Instead she issued a gag order, responding to what she observed as attorneys having "gone to the airways to advocate."

"No more interviews with anyone," the judge ruled.

"Does that include the DA going on Chris Matthews' 'Hardball' and going to the New York Times," defense attorney Michael McGovern asked.

The judge responded affirmatively: "I don't want tweets. I don't want Facebook. I don't want IMs [instant messages]."

Hughes said the court will revisit the gag order on April 15, when defendants are to be arraigned. That date also marks the deadline for the DA to provide the defense with the first batch of discovery, she said.

All but one of the defense attorneys challenged the government's amendment to its case, which added a conspiracy charge that had not explicitly been requested of the grand jury.

"The issue here is that if the DA seeks to amend, it has to be subject to some sort of prima facie determination," the defense argued.

The judge found otherwise, ruling that the commonwealth established "good cause" in its pleadings and that "there is no constitutional right - federal or state - for a preliminary hearing."

It was "a technical error on the commonwealth not to charge conspiracy" originally, Hughes said. "Conspiracy is made," and the defendants will not be afforded a preliminary hearing, she ruled.

Hughes said there was abundant evidence to support the amendment.

"I'm the only person, besides the prosecutors, who has seen every stitch of evidence," she said.

Defense attorney McGovern argued that her admission was precisely the problem.

"Your Honor, this is patently unfair!" McGovern said. "You know the evidence. They know the evidence. I don't know what the evidence is! I haven't seen any!"

The attorney said proceeding to trial without a preliminary hearing was like saying, "Let's have a dart game in a dark room."

"What kind of country is this where we have this?" he shouted.

The judge yelled back, baring her teeth: "You sit down! Sit, sit, sit!"

DeSipio agreed with McGovern that their clients deserve a preliminary hearing, which could allow them to confront their accusers.

"There's no witness. I know that they [the prosecutors] don't like that he's in jail," DeSipio said. "This accuser says there was an erect penis in his buttocks."

"Was it in your buttocks, or was it in your anus," he asked rhetorically. "If that question wasn't asked [of the grand jury], and he didn't specify anus or butt cheeks, I have a right to ask that."

"What you can't do, and what I submit they're trying to do, is say just because we have a grand jury, we have good cause [to by-pass a preliminary hearing]," DeSipio said.

The judge also addressed a potential conflict of interest concerning Monsignor Lynn, who unlike the three current and former priests, faces child endangerment charges - not rape or sexual assault. Plans for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia to pay Lynn's legal costs present "a whole array of conflicts that I can't even imagine at this point in time," Hughes said.

"It's real simple," the judge said to Lynn, who was donning his clerical collar, "your master is the person that's putting bread on the table."

"It may be in your best interest to put forth a defense that attacks other people [or the church]," Hughes said.

She told Lynn he was putting himself in the position of receiving "advice from people who are being paid by people whose interests don't necessarily align with yours."

The stakes of this gamble could amount to "14 years of incarceration versus probation," she said.

Lynn, in a calm voice, declined. "Well, I trust these two men." he said, adding that the church hadn't placed any conditions on the payment of his legal costs.

Hughes was incredulous. "You are making a knowing, voluntary and intelligent decision to place yourself in conflict with your attorneys?" she asked.

"I am," Lynn responded, waiving his right to any future appeal based on the argument that his attorneys had a conflict of interest.

"Then we're moving forward," the judge said.

After arraignments and release of the first batch of discovery, which will include grand jury notes and testimony, on April 15, the government will begin putting together a second batch. The government said that batch would take longer to produce, as it will include roughly 10,000 pages of documentation, much of which will need to be redacted.

Hughes said the government must give the defense a specific timeline for the production of the second batch. "There has to be some finality," she said.

In January, a grand jury returned an indictment for rape and sexual assault against one current priest, one defrocked priest and one man who taught at a Catholic school. Monsignor Lynn, the third cleric who worked for the archdiocese as secretary of clergy, is accused of giving known abusers easy access to minors.


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To: WPaCon; Dr. Eckleburg
OPC: Not even mentioned.

I really don't understand the FRoman Catholic fascination with the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

I do suspect that, based on the survey, the Government could care less if someone is PC(USA), OPC, PCA. Just like they didn't count Southern Baptist vs. American Baptist. Likewise they didn't make a distinction between all of the houses of worship that claim the title Catholic.

501 posted on 03/27/2011 2:33:15 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

“I really don’t understand the FRoman Catholic fascination with the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.”

You’re in it.


502 posted on 03/27/2011 2:34:37 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
So much so that Gregory XVI hated the trains because he said they would empower the middle class (read Calvinists.)

Last thing a Pope wants is Calvinists going around the countryside spreading the Gospel.

503 posted on 03/27/2011 2:34:51 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: WPaCon

Sez who?


504 posted on 03/27/2011 2:35:38 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg

I believe Dr. Eckleburg herself.


505 posted on 03/27/2011 2:38:41 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Bingo


506 posted on 03/27/2011 2:38:52 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: WPaCon; Gamecock; metmom; RnMomof7
Roman Catholics account for 24% of the United States while Protestants make up over 50% of this country. Evangelical Protestants make up 26% of the United States.

As the Washington Times reported...

Evangelical Christianity has become the largest religious tradition in this country, supplanting Roman Catholicism, which is slowly bleeding members, according to a survey released yesterday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

As we can see from our exchanges, RC apologists try to finagle the language to say what it doesn't say. There are many denominations within the Catholic church, but RC apologists gloss over this uncomfortable fact.

Bottom line -- the RCC and its various denominations are receding while Protestant denominations are increasing.

As God wills.

507 posted on 03/27/2011 2:40:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock
I really don't understand the FRoman Catholic fascination with the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

The darkness hates the life

508 posted on 03/27/2011 2:41:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Gamecock

Yep


509 posted on 03/27/2011 2:42:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: WPaCon; Dr. Eckleburg

Well, since you are such an expert on the workings of FR, perhaps you can show me where the venerable Dr E. said that.


510 posted on 03/27/2011 2:42:45 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; metmom; RnMomof7

Go ahead, keep on pretending that “Protestant” and “Evangelical” are denominations.


511 posted on 03/27/2011 2:42:56 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Celtic Cross

The problem with your comment is evident in the post itself.
All of those Protestant Pastors were in fact, charged and convicted of their crimes. The real crime in the RCC abuse scandal, besides the abusive acts themselves, is the great lengths the RCC hierarchy went to protect the abusers. Not only were they not removed from Pastoral duties, and reported to the proper authorities, in most cases they were reassigned to parishes without the accusations against them, made public to the parishes they were headed to. Simply put, the RCC cared more about the abusers than the children in their care.


512 posted on 03/27/2011 2:43:01 PM PDT by ConservativeNewYorker (FDNY 343 NYPD 23 PAPD 37)
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To: WPaCon; Gamecock; RnMomof7
Huh? lolol. You're saying I said Gamecock was OPC?

Please, show us where I've said this.

(More evidence that you may have been around quite a long time.)

513 posted on 03/27/2011 2:43:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: WPaCon

Show me where I said Protestant was a denomination.


514 posted on 03/27/2011 2:43:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg

Nevermind, I thought the post was from Dr. Eckleburg.

I don’t know what denomination you belong to, Gamecock.


515 posted on 03/27/2011 2:47:23 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Gamecock
Last thing a Pope wants is Calvinists going around the countryside spreading the Gospel.

That is exactly correct. That, and an empowered middle class with mobility and Bibles of their own which they can actually read and understand.

Keep them poor. Keep them dumb. Keep them Roman Catholic. History reveals the blueprint for this pattern.

516 posted on 03/27/2011 2:47:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well, I said Catholic was the largest “denomination,” and you keep saying no, “Protestant” and “Evangelical” are larger.


517 posted on 03/27/2011 2:49:27 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The RCC loves Communism

Again, people who make ridiculous comments generally will not be taken seriously.

518 posted on 03/27/2011 2:51:41 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon

Show me where I said Protestant was a denomination, as you asserted I said.

There are many Catholic denominations just like there are many Protestant denominations.


519 posted on 03/27/2011 2:54:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: lastchance; Dr. Eckleburg
What part of the RCC do they think is not part of our society? What part don't they get it's not about them but the victims? The RCC isn't in a bubble to carry on their fantasies as they now realize they are in the hands of the law - and ignored the law in this instance for six years. What part about being above the law do they think applies to them?

They are never concerned about sex abuse victims except for those who were victims of priests. They don’t care about other institutions shuffling abusers and covering up abuse.

Prove it Prove it. I never saw any such posts nor know anyone thinking that way. All I seen is consistent - finger pointing away from the problem and casting blame on any one that dare speak/post about this type of abuse - from the DA, to the judge, to the media, to posters - all subject to derogatory remarks such as yours.

Reminder - there are those who oppose homosexuality are not members of your church - so they probably could give a flip about your priests - so to say anyones only concern is about priests pedophiles is really a low blow to parents everywhere. Are you speaking as a representative of the RCC? Seems like it doesn't stop with abusing children - now they reach out to offend parents everywhere. When a pedophile is part of society - he affects the whole society - lock them up. Why is the RCC dragging their butt on this matter?

They are not even willing to admit that perhaps in some instances false accusations have been made.

Well by now it was possible to know the truth - if the Grand Jury 2005 report wasn't ignored by the RCC. Should we think the PA RCC official possibly covered up innocent priests?

The first is the liberal secularists who hate the Church’s defense of life and Christian morality.

You mean the same liberals who embrace homosexuality? This isn't about abortion but homosexuality. The RCC are not the only ones holding the defense of life - that's belongs to the majority of Americans - no matter what the faith. I don't think you want to address that the liberal media is coming after the morality of your church - first one needs to show they have it first - and the Grand Jury report shows otherwise. Where was morality shown the victims in PA and to every other victim throughout the country.

The second is those rabid, vitrolic Protestants who hate Catholicism and Catholics. Guess who the group on FR are???

That's a vile statement - what proof do you have any Protestant hates Catholics? I'd have to hate all of my 40+ cousins and 3/4 of my 'growing up' friends. What part of hating evil is so repellent to you that you don't think anyone does? What part of hating sin and it's cover up isn't biblical? What part of justice are victims not entitled to? What part of justice does the RCC ignore?

Though som.accusers have admitted such and withdrawn their complaints.

Now is it your turn to withdrawn your complaints?
520 posted on 03/27/2011 2:57:21 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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