The Roman Catholics kicked the Jews out of England and the Protestants under Cromwell brought them back in. That pattern has remained fairly consistent for centuries...
THE VATICAN'S ROLE IN THE RISE OF MODERN ANTI-SEMITISM"
by David Kertzer
Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Correct. None of those statements is ‘preaching hatred.’
Let’s examine: “Pentecostalism is a damnable heresy.”
If Pentecostalism does actually lead anyone to go to hell, it is damnable, and heretical. The quoted is not a statement that shows a desire that anyone actually go to hell, which would be malicious. It is a statement of fact based upon the presuppositions that Pentecostalism is untrue, and that false doctrine, when relied upon for eternal salvation, fails to properly instruct one to the narrow path.
If Pentecostalism does actually lead anyone to go to hell, it is damnable, and heretical.
Now the question is -- IS Pentecostalism a damnable heresy? Evidently the OPC believes it and the posts of Dr. E and other OPC/PCA members confirms this and directly evidences what you stated namely Hate is a feeling of enmity directed at another.
The quoted is not a statement that shows a desire that anyone actually go to hell, which would be malicious. It is a statement of fact based upon the presuppositions that Pentecostalism is untrue, and that false doctrine, when relied upon for eternal salvation, fails to properly instruct one to the narrow path. -- Quite on the contrary, this is based on the utter belief of the OPC that Pentecostals are going to hell -- which is used as the source of enimity in the posts of the person to whom I directed the posts.
Correct. These statements are not ‘preaching hatred.’
How can the OPC say “John Wesley preached Universal Infant Damnation for unbaptized infants — which is unsurprising, because Wesley preached the Gospel of Satan” and that NOT be considered hate?
Assuming ‘the OPC’ said that, the statement is not preaching hatred. The statement is another conclusion based upon the assumption that John Wesley necessarily had to believe, as a result of his free will beliefs, that if a person cannot ‘choose Christ,’ and infants are unable to comprehend the Gospel, it necessarily follows that unbaptized infants would be damned. Election actually takes care of that, teaching that infants, as others, are chosen as God chooses others, and no work is required to save them. Again, if Wesley preached another Gospel, whose work would he be doing?
These statements are not wishing ill upon anyone, which would be hate speech. They are conclusions based upon what the speaker assumes to be true, i.e. orthodoxy.
“Quite on the contrary, this is based on the utter belief of the OPC that Pentecostals are going to hell — which is used as the source of enimity in the posts of the person to whom I directed the posts.”
I will repeat. This statement is a conclusion based upon belief, not ‘preaching hate.’ The wise might even see it as a warning, which would be downright constructive to those who are basing their eternity upon the wrong thing.
You mean ordering OPC members to not celebrate with Jews is not hate?
Correct. This statement is not preaching hate.
First, you must mis-characterize the link to make your point, which weakens your cause. There was no ‘order’ to OPC members. There was a ‘should not.’ Second, the reasoning is like this - Christ is our passover. It is a lie to endorse a celebration which has been fulfilled by celebrating Seder.
It is not hate, but actually an exhortation to truth.
. . . another . . . eye of the beholder . . . issue, imho.
Perhaps, but it is not preaching hatred and it was not an ‘order.’
Funny how you say it like that. Do you have any firsthand experience with these "spirits?"
Well put.
nothing that teachs one to hate?You want to see what teaching hate is?You mean ordering OPC members to not celebrate with Jews is not hate?
"During the Reformation, in 1555, Pope Paul IV decreed that all Jews must be segregated into their own quarters (ghettos), and they were forbidden to leave their home during the night, were banned from all but the most strenuous occupations and had to wear a distinctive badge — a yellow hat.
Jews could not own any property outside the ghetto. They were not allowed to study in higher education institutions or become lawyers, pharmacists, painters, politicians, notaries or architects. Jews were forced to pay for Christian missionaries who proselytized to the Jews and a yearly sum to the Cloister of the Converted.
These anti-Jewish laws were similar to those imposed by Nazi Germany on the Jews during World War II.
"Unfortunately for the Jews, one of Carnival’s [that is, the public celebrations prior to Lent] most popular features was the ritual degradation of the people of the ghetto.
Among the first historical references we have to such rites is a description from 1466, when for the amusement of the Romans, in festivities sponsored by Pope Paul II, Jews were made to race naked through the streets of the city. ...Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them, and at the same time, more amusing for the spectators. They ran from the Arch of Domitian to the Church of St. Mark at the end of the Corso at full tilt, amid Rome’s taunting shrieks of encouragement and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.
Two centuries later, these practices, now deemed indecorous and unbefitting the dignity of the Holy City, were stopped by Clement IX. In their place the Pope assessed a heavy tax on the Jews to help pay the costs of the city’s Carnival celebrations.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Rome.html
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/02/popes-against-jews-part-5-you-will.html
Still, these are acts, not beliefs. Espousing a belief is not hate, even if it means other beliefs are wrong. Acting upon it may be hate, but the exclusivity of a belief is not preaching hate. Therefore, you make the point.
I'm reminded of a friend of mine, a very devout and newly minted minister, who lived near the Ind. University campus in Bloomington, Ind.
A student gave him some sweat shirts that had a funny design, rather like ink blot test pattern but in color, on the front.
He didn't realize that the “design” was really a common obscene suggestion disguised until he met some of the congregation and someone had the mercy to take him aside and point it out to him.
He went home and burned the shirts including the one he wore turned inside out. Of course he was never allowed to forget it and he accepted no more shirts with funny designs on them.
p.s. he's long dead so he won't mind my telling what happened.
The Roman Catholics kicked the Jews out of England and the Protestants under Cromwell brought them back in. That pattern has remained fairly consistent for centuries...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Seems that 'stock comment' would be very important to those interested in getting to the truth. They don't read what is presented, yet, are the first in line to attack and ridicule the articles. ANd then proceed to call anyone who actually comments on the articles as bigots. It says more about the actions of those whose only mission in life is to defend the indefensible, at any cost. Pawns worthy of their reputations.
Just to be perfectly clear... I have never been a Catholic, and I have never been anti-Catholic. I believe there will be a LARGE number of Catholics in heaven with me. I, however, have found few Catholics who believe I will be with them in heaven, because I do not belong to their church.
Sorry, Irish. I thought you said you had been raised RC.
lol. You must have gotten pretty tired of me including you in that group whenever I pinged you to it. I’ll be more careful next time. 8~)
How horrible! The history of the vatican is deplorable - the evil empire.
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