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To: svcw
I find it interesting you are so angry.

Angry? Huh? I am not the least bit angry. Dont mistake passion for anger.

A Jewish person teaching Old Testament? And New Testament? Must not be an Orthodox Jew. Well that is fine. You asked me what E said that was heretical. I gave you a very explicit answer. And you say it was anger. But curiously you offer no evidence to the contrary. And hey, do this, share that post with your Jewish Rabbi friend and see if they disagree! Have them join the thread, even better!

348 posted on 03/27/2011 10:27:52 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960
There was nothing to say to your post you answered the question.
My friend was teaching at the university level, so anything is possible. It is also a possibility that the actual names of the classes were different because they were taught in Hebrew, and she just gave me the “English” translation. I'll have to ask her, I never thought about that before.
I do not know if they are Orthodox or not. I just know that they have no problem with Christians and the Christian view of God. Their experiences maybe very different than yours. She is from Russia although she still says the USSR. He is from Spain. They both immigrated to Israel, met fell in love and after their daughter was born immigrated to the United States. Not sure if they are on FR but I'll ask.
350 posted on 03/27/2011 10:50:06 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: blasater1960
But curiously you offer no evidence to the contrary.

Curiously, the New Testement is NOT 'evidence' to you.

I understand.

355 posted on 03/27/2011 11:01:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: blasater1960

Blasater, you give us your take on these OT texts, mostly Isaiah, but has it ever occurred to you that Christ’s 12 disciples, Paul, and the entire early church until Acts 10, were strict monotheist Jews also? They were fully aware of all these texts you used.

What makes you think you know more than than the 12 Apostles and the early Jewish church? They lived aprox. 2000 years closer to the events at issue here than you. You are Johnny come lately that has set yourself up as the last word on OT monotheism.

Truth is, your monotheism is no different from the Islamics...your bitter enemies who’d love to kill all of you if they could. Your God is ensconsed afar off in his unique oneness, with no transcendence of himself to mankind. Similar to the “En Soph” of the Kabbalists, and the so called “true God” of the Gnostics.

What you can’t see, and what your fellow Christian Jews of the early church did see, is that the Messiah’s name, Immanuel, really did mean God with us. This unique and far-distant-from-man God of Judaism (that you espouse) closed the distance by becoming “with us.” Mattthew, your fellow Jew, understood Isa. 7:14 aright, the Messiah was the Son of God born of a virgin, Immanuel, God with us.

“That which was from the beginning,” John, another of your fellow Jews, said, we have heard, we have seen with our eyes, we have handled, 1 John 1:1. He was talking about this Islamic-like God of yours.

That’s the straight dope from one of your fellow Jews some 2000 years ago: this remote God of yours, totally remote from mankind, became identified with suffering mankind, he became “with us.” He became mankind’s redeemer.


360 posted on 03/27/2011 11:37:06 AM PDT by sasportas
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