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I appreciate your not beating me up. I appreciate a civil conversation.

If my wife has to come down to get me I am probably lost :)

You are correct that if you can’t believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet then you can’t be a Mormon.

I don’t have any problem with “as far as it is translated correctly” because every church seems to have it’s unique translation or meaning of various scriptures.

I have listened to many preachers what most of them have in common is that that they have a lot of unique ideas.

I remember at my fathers funeral at our church (Methodist at the time), the minister asked if I had any particular scriptures I would like for him to use. I did, it was about Job knowing that although worms eat his eyes . . . etc. that he would see God with his own eyes. The minister said he could not use that scripture because there would be some who would think that meant that there would be a literal resurrection. I then gave him a few more (actually at least 10) that referred to a literal resurrection and he refused to use any of them. From that point on I have had little to do with ministers and little trust in what they have to say as far as translating or interpreting the scriptures. I can read. Sometimes when I read the spirit whispers to me of the truth of what I am reading and how I understand it and I will not have another person tell me how I don’t understand it after that happens.

So “as far as translated correctly” I understand, it is not an issue to me.

Thanks for not beating up on me.

"I appreciate your not beating me up."

Now why would I do that? ;^)

"I appreciate a civil conversation."

As do I.

Sorry to hear about your father. I guess that's why I'm not a proponent of "organized religion". Too many doctrines, teachings, etc. that can be used for all the wrong reasons.

"I can read. Sometimes when I read the spirit whispers to me of the truth of what I am reading and how I understand it and I will not have another person tell me how I don’t understand it after that happens."

Like you, I figure if I stick with what's in the Bible, I can't go wrong. Although I attend a non-denom church that teaches out of the Bible and uses some very well known and respected Christian writers like A.J. Tozer to supplement.

As far as the "translation" issue being anathema to an ex-mo like me, I guess it would make more sense if one had been "conditioned" if you will, to place more faith and credence in the BoM vs. the Bible due to the AoF. It's all still very "fresh" for me.

Blessings,