lds believe in a created jesus - not Biblical
lds believe god progressed to godhood - not Biblical
lds have taught that Christians are Whores of Babylon
lds believe that yo must work for your salvation - not Biblical
I do not care how nice they are, mormonISM is not Christianity.
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I’m not here to defend Mormonism and their beliefs. I will comment on your bashing of their beliefs however. First I would like to make a point. Some of your complaints to me are the same as arguing what color hair Jesus had. It doesn’t make any difference.
1st
LDS believe in a created Jesus.
On some plane Jesus was created, that is in His earthly body He was created just like the rest of us. However Mormons preach that He is the Alpha and Omega. I don’t care what you dig up by Mormon leaders of the past or even the present, Mormons believe that Jesus was from the beginning.
2nd
LDS believe that God progressed to godhood.
Ok it isn’t biblical, I agree with you, but what difference does it make, they believe He is God. They don’t believe they have another God. They worship the same God you worship, they may wonder about when He became God but I simply don’t see how it hurts anything to think or wonder about that.
3rd
lds have taught that Christians are Whores of Babylon
Baptists have taught the same thing about Catholics, it angers me when I hear it but it doesn’t make me think that Baptists don’t try to follow Christ or that they are non-Christian. While you are correct about this, that is that there have been Mormon leaders that have said this, there are more leaders that have said that this statement is not true. I have attended their “General Conference” and heard it with my own ears.
4th
lds believe that yo must work for your salvation
Mormons believe that you must do all you can do to follow Christ for his grace to have effect on you. This is something that I believe too. Does that make me an infidel? I think it is Biblical. I truly believe that James says it best when he says “show me your works and I will show you your faith”. I might be wrong, but I don’t believe in death bed confessions of Christ for the most part. I don’t think you can live your whole life fighting Christ and then in fear of death confess him and think you will get to live with him an a mansion above. I do believe that those that find him late in life and really repent can indeed have all the benefits of those who have followed Him all their lives but, without a broken heart it won’t work.
I think they are probably pretty close to right on this. I think too many preachers preach the easy way to keep people coming. I don’t believe unrepentant sinners will be with those that do repent. I hope this doesn’t sound selfish but it is what I believe. I hope it doesn’t offend you, I don’t mean it to.
Whatever I believe about the meaning of Grace it has no effect on what it really means. I may be wrong. If I am hopefully The Lord will personally tell me what is right but in the meantime I don’t think he will reject me because of a simple mistake.
I have never been exposed to the meanness you seem to have seen. I have only seen really good people trying their best to serve The Lord Jesus Christ as they really believe. They feel they have felt The Holy Spirit in their lives. How can I refute that? I should accuse them of following the wrong spirit? In Christs own words those that do good don’t follow Satan.
It seems to me you hate the Mormons. Not only their doctrines but them. It is really hard to separate the two. I have learned that it is easy to be judgmental about the beliefs of others. I am an old man and have learned (mostly) to back off when it comes to judging others. Most people even Moslems do what they believe is right.
I don’t have any love for Islam, I hate it. I have a really hard time not hating Moslems. These people do things that hurt other people. They take joy in raping, maiming, and killing other people. There are some things that are just too easy for me to judge so I continue to see the evil in them but I do not see this evil in the Mormons.
I don’t fail to see evil in Mormons because of my wife, although I believe her to be a very true Saint. She tries hard to live her religion, I wish I was as good a person as her. Mind you I try to be a good person, I just don’t think I am willing to put as much effort into it as she.
My father once told me that it doesn’t make any difference what religion you belong to as long as you follow Jesus Christ. I follow Christ with most of my heart. My wife follows Him with all her heart. I have to repent and beg forgiveness too often. I have hope that His grace will be sufficient for me, but I know I will not deserve it. Because of the hope I have I will keep trying to follow Him. My description of Him may not be the same as yours, but, from what I have read from you, you believe in Christ too. Your description (for the most part) simply doesn’t matter. It is the Christ that was born in Bethlehem. It is the Same Christ that was crucified on Calvary. It is the Christ that was laid dead in a tomb yet three days later was seem alive by many people. It is the same Christ that for 40 days after he died on the cross preached to the people that followed him. It is the same Christ that ascended to Heaven right in front of a crowd of people. It is the same Christ that says if I will come to Him with a contrite heart he will make me His and protect me from the consequences of my sins. I personally believe that if you believe this much then I am not sure that anything else you believe about Him matters. From what I have seen, the Mormons believe this much. Perhaps they are wrong in wearing funny underwear, from building and going to temples, not drinking booze, having a priesthood and a lot of other strange things to some of us, but what difference does it makes if they come unto Christ.
Uhm, yes you did and that's fine, but don't try to say one thing and do another.
But before I go any further, are you willing to debate what you posted or are you just posting and running like before?
“I don’t fail to see evil in Mormons because of my wife, although I believe her to be a very true Saint. She tries hard to live her religion, I wish I was as good a person as her. Mind you I try to be a good person, I just don’t think I am willing to put as much effort into it as she.”
That explains it all!
Emotion has trumped objective truth. You are well on your
way to becoming a cultist yourself...