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To: RJR_fan

So, what do you mean when you say you and your church are consistent in refuting Scofield’s insanity? And by Quix denying part and clutching to another part?

p.s. What is meant by post - millenial?


24 posted on 03/21/2011 9:10:02 PM PDT by Joya (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house ...)
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To: Joya; DManA; M. Espinola; topcat54; ShadowAce; jy8z; The Theophilus; Dr. Eckleburg; Jim 0216
Good morning, Joya.

I like your tagline -- Acts 16:35 is one of the first verses I began claiming and praying for my family, nearly 40 years ago. My "salvation verse" -- Choose this day whom you will serve -- also mentioned one's household: as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. In the 2/3 of a lifetime since then, God has given me an incredible wife, and four precious children to raise for His glory. He has also opened my eyes to the centrality of the family in His Kingdom purposes. The family is, in His ordering, a place of refuge, delight, and refreshment. The godly family is also a "force multiplier," that offsets a man's shortcomings and allows him to exert influence across future decades. Augustine described his son Adeotus as "the only man to whom I would honestly say, 'I wish for you to excel me in every way'." My adult daughter and I went through part of grad school simultaneously, and proof-read each other's scholarly papers. I have my PhD now, she probably will within the next few years, and she already surpasses me in her mastery of the academic world. Her husband is also a godly young man, heir to a passionate Reformed Christian faith. They met at the "Campus Calvinist Club" (Reformed University Fellowship) and again at the SCA.

I was born again in 1970, at the peak of the "Jesus movement," and saw a stunning move of God touch thousands of lives, then evaporate. We thought great things were about to happen -- but they didn't. The only lingering impact of that movement on the church is, as far as I can see, worship services are now modeled on rock concerts: lead singer, backup vocals, drums and electric instruments. How did such a promising irruption of God's power and grace into our lives come to so little? That is the question I've invested the last 40 years in pondering, and researching. The bottom line, as I see it, is the distinction between "revival" and "reformation." As a man I have little respect for otherwise pointed out, churches that experience true revival, true touches from God, are usually worse off two years afterward than they were before. Like folks who win big in the lottery, and soon go bankrupt. OTOH, reformations typically take a century or so to get up to speed, and completely re-order the way people live and think. Revivals tend to be emotional bacchanalias, exciting thrill-rides that focus on "the heart" -- usually defined as a sub-rational zone of intense mystical experience. Reformations, while passionate, are also scholarly movements that consecrate whole men, mind and heart and life, to the advancement of the Kingdom.

I experienced a second conversion in 1980, when a young man I'd led to the Lord in 1970 returned the favor by giving me a stack of books by the ArmEnian Calvinist, the guy who coined the term secular humanism to define the American state church. As I read and thought and prayed, my eyes were opened to the joyous extent of God's good purposes. Christianity is a worldview, not just another navel view, not just another "variety of religious experience." Christianity is truly true, and applies to all of life. Not just "religiously" true, and applicable only to the unreal / emotional / mystical zone of "the heart." Jesus is LORD -- over the universe around us, as well as over our "hearts." His Word is the command of the King, the operating manual for all of life, including public life.

Part of this total package was post-millennialism. Most evangelicals summon men to battle by first conceding the war. But not all. Let me offer my well-worn football metaphor:

My church is charismatic (something Scofield said was impossible) and postmillennial (something Scofield also denied). We have spun off an average of one daughter church a year for the last few decades. When The Wall came down, and the Soviet Bloc opened up, we relocated several campus ministers over there, and they founded several dozen churches. We expect great things from God, and attempt great things for God.

Be of good cheer, the best is yet to come! The future will be different, because of what we do today. Our children can grow up to be wiser, and happier, and more influential, than we were. And we can give ourselves to prayer that their children will go even further.

36 posted on 03/22/2011 2:58:08 AM PDT by RJR_fan ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Joya
What is meant by post - millenial?

http://www.gotquestions.org/postmillennialism.html

Postmillennialism is an interpretation of Revelation chapter 20 which sees Christ's second coming as occurring after the “millennium,” a golden age or era of Christian prosperity and dominance. The term includes several similar views of the end times, and it stands in contrast to premillennialism (the view that Christ’s second coming will occur prior to His millennial kingdom and that the millennial kingdom is a literal 1000-year reign) and, to a lesser extent, amillennialism (no literal millennium).

Postmillennialism is the belief that Christ returns after a period of time, but not necessarily a literal 1000 years. Those who hold this view do not interpret unfulfilled prophecy using a normal, literal method. They believe that Revelation 20:4-6 should not be taken literally. They believe that “1000 years” simply means “a long period of time.” Furthermore, the prefix “post-” in “postmillennialism” denotes the view that Christ will return after Christians (not Christ Himself) have established the kingdom on this earth.

Those who hold to postmillennialism believe that this world will become better and better—all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding—with the entire world eventually becoming “Christianized.” After this happens, Christ will return. However, this is not the view of the world in the end times that Scripture presents. From the book of Revelation, it is easy to see that the world will be a terrible place during that future time. Also, in 2 Timothy 3:1-7, Paul describes the last days as “terrible times.”

Those who hold to postmillennialism use a non-literal method of interpreting unfulfilled prophecy, assigning their own meanings to words. The problem with this is that when someone starts assigning meanings to words other than their normal meaning, a person can decide that a word, phrase, or sentence means anything he wants it to mean. All objectivity concerning the meaning of words is lost. When words lose their meaning, communication ceases. However, this is not how God has intended for language and communication to be. God communicates to us through His written word, with objective meanings to words, so that ideas and thoughts can be communicated.

A normal, literal interpretation of Scripture rejects postmillennialism and holds to a normal interpretation of all Scripture, including unfulfilled prophecy. We have hundreds of examples in Scripture of prophecies being fulfilled. Take, for example, the prophecies concerning Christ in the Old Testament. Those prophecies were fulfilled literally. Consider the virgin birth of Christ (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23). Consider His death for our sins (Isaiah 53:4-9; 1 Peter 2:24). These prophecies were fulfilled literally, and that is reason enough to assume that God will continue in the future to literally fulfill His Word. Postmillennialism fails in that it interprets Bible prophecy subjectively and holds that the millennial kingdom will be established by the church, not by Christ Himself.

It's a belief system which involves a lot of adding to and taking away from Scripture. IOW, a false doctrine.

92 posted on 05/01/2011 7:49:06 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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