Posted on 03/21/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by fishtank
I heard this last week and found it very interesting.
No.
God is righteous. Not to be confused with knowing good and evil. That’s how the fall in the Garden began.
Could not have said it better. I agree with all that you said.
Isnt the whole point of jude not lest ye be judged yourself that you should not judge someone’s faith, unless you are ready for your own faith to be questioned?
I see a lot of people claiming with total certainty that certain people do not believe in Jesus. I wonder if those claiming that believe in Jesus themselves.
great post
It might be helpful if they argued why you should join one of their sects and give a positive reason to switch. If all they do is downplay Mormons, then what alternative are they giving?
Mine was a personal opinion, nothing more.
I think you are confusing a couple things together.
The article doesn’t say he has bad morals or he’s not a family guy or tries to live a good life. Everyone has some kind of moral foundation they operate from. Look at the Japanese people, largely shinto or buddhist. They have strong family and morals. We would do well to emulate them in many ways. However if they said their actions and beliefs are because they are Christian, that’s where we’d have a problem with them, because they are not. Not because they are not trying to be a good person. Christians know that doesn’t earn them anything with God anyway, in terms of their personal salvation.
Beck’s Jesus isn’t the biblical Jesus. It’s the Mormon Jesus. Huge difference.
Also I don’t know if they are dismissing him solely on his belief system. They are pointing out more clearly what his belief system is, and making a point that it is not biblical Christianity. It’s good to know where people are operating from when they use the same terms you do, but they mean different things too them than they do to you. The words may be the same, but the ideas and beliefs behind the words are totally different. Core beliefs that, if compared more deeply, would make a Christian say, “That’s not what I believe.”
Further I don’t think anyone should ever put their everything behind just one person except Christ. Beck is an entertainer and conservative. He isn’t perfect, none of them are, they will fail and dissapoint you, they will make mistakes, they will be wrong on things. Beck is fine, I know where he’s coming from, I take certain things with a grain of salt from him, thankfully because I do know where he’s coming from.
It never hurts to know the worldview a person operates from. It cuts down on misunderstandings. ANd it may make people say I can’t trust what comes from that person’s mouth because I can’t trust their judgment. Everyone has to make that call themselves.
Wow, that would be just awful. Please point out the HATE in the article.
Me for instance. I am a CHRISTIAN. It is unimportant which denomination of church I worship at, as long as it teaches the bible and only the bible.
I beleive you will find, if you look, that most if not all of the so-called "anti-mormons" are the same. They are not "pushing their own sect", they want Mormons (and everyone really)to escape from the sect/cult they are trapped in.
Yea, so was I :)
Roy Masters is no more a cult than Jesus and his disciples were according to the Sadducees and Pharisees of his day, if you get my drift my dear and I like Beck too, he's a good man, so does Roy, we cultists got to stick together... [what-is-truth]
You both must be under Masters' hypnotic spell. (Even Masters calls his followers "Roybots.") [These Roybots have clashed repeatedly with others in Grants Pass, OR, when a couple of thou of them followed Masters when he moved there]
Are you both followers of a hypnotist born as Reuben Obermeister, who served a 30-day jail sentence for practicing medicine without a license?
Masters: "The secret lies in the Meditation Exercise, a principle similar to self-hypnosis. All of us have within a natural inclination toward right action..." (Masters, How Your Mind Can Keep You Well, LA, Foundation Press, 1971, p. xvii)
And, again Masters: "Meditation establishes a new relationship. Energy becomes available from within...What we say, do, and think, is intuitively impelled...Naturally, without effort, we are impelled to do what we realize is wise and to shrink from what is unwise." (same source, p. 75)
Masters' religion is ultimately selfism...the "Within" is capitalized...self-intuition is over-stressed. "Natural inclination" -- "Naturally" -- our "nature" -- is glorified, as is self-realization...(Masters has borrowed from Hindu-laced New Agism)
Masters: "No form of outer assistance can substitute for inner direction. Direction must come always from within. Moved by the spirit of intuition...The more we exercise our dependency upon the Within, the stronger this relationship becomes..." (same source, p. 132)
More Masters' selfism!
The goal, says Masters? "Through patience you will come to perfection..." (same source, p. 194)
Masters had a debate with Walter Martin in which he claimed perfection was possible (via his hypnotic, natural, self-directed, self-intuitive, "Within" method).
Masters: I am a man without sin." (1984 Masters' interview with "Us" Magazine, as cited by Howard Kurtz, The Washington Post, Nov., 1990)
And, Masters' measures "salvation" by mere intent: "Salvation is by the intent to do right." (Masters, Foundation Press tape on "Guilt")
Overall, Masters "combines Eastern and gnostic beliefs, Christian terminology, yoga, hypnotism, and self-help principles..." (Walter Martin, The New Cults, p. 297; most of research above by Gretchen Passantino and Todd Ehrenburg).
Thanks for posting fishtank; I agree with their (and your?) assessment!
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If you go to this clowns website, you’ll see he is not a Christian, but an anti Mormon propagandist. Period. His whole operation is built upon hawking Mormon Hatred FOR CASH of course. Not exactly what I’d call Christian. |
"His whole operation is built upon hawking Mormon Hatred... FOR CASH of course."
Speaking of a whole operation built upon hawking anything for CASH, check into mormon church finances sometime.
And, incidentally the "whole mormon operation" was founded and built on hatred for Christians and Christianity for over 150 years.
If you don’t think America has, or at least had a soul, then give it up now.
Can you ref. those websites, please.
Actually, he is running the same scam the false Christian prophets have for years; that theirs is the only was to see things, and to see things their way, you have to buy a DVD that costs them 43 cents to make.... but they sell to you for $19.00!
4400% markup!
I wonder, had they been around when Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple, if he would have thrown them out too!
And, didn't he pick Butler to beat Pitt?
Something happened to Glenn Beck when he was locked up in that FEMA camp and he's had amazing powers of prophecy ever since he escaped.
I’ve listened to and watched Beck just about every day since he started....and I’m trained and alert enough to detect any and all overt or subtle anti-Christian propaganda which offends my sensibilities....but I fail to pick up any of this at all when viewing Glenn’s program.
And this doesn’t offend your sensibilities, the Gnostic heretical belief that everyone is basically good and has God already within in him? I cannot think of anything more anti-Bibllical. If the Bible teaches anything it teaches that man is a sinner and desperately needs a savior to save him from his sin.
This is the true Jesus, the Jesus of Gnosticism - Mormonism’s Jesus - however, is a revealer not a redeemer. Man is not a sinner, he already has God within himself, he just isn’t aware of it, and this is what Jesus does, he reveals this “knowledge” (Gnosis) to us.
Granted, Beck doesn’t spell all this out on the tube - but his book “Seven Wonders” does! Beck HIDES this from his viewers, which makes him a first class deceiver.
And you don’t “pick any of this up?” How about Oprah? She is a Gnostic deceiver also, please don’t tell me you haven’t picked anything up on what she preaches.
Quite frankly, I’m surprised at such a lack of discernment from a Missouri Synod Lutheran of all people. Your Lutheran fellowship is known for its conservatism, great, but surely it doesn’t put the flag above the cross! It sounds like you do.
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